• Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
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    I’ve always had a bad opinion of people who try to chide little kids who use words like runned instead of ran. I’d always argued the kid successfully extrapolated past tense words end with a hard d sound and haven’t gotten to deeper English classes to learn the special scenarios for words like run or drink.

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      If you track how kids perform at this, you actually find a bathtub curve. When they are really young and just learning words, they are actually quite good at irregular conjunctions (for the few words they know). Then, as they get older and learn a bunch of other words, they start messing up the irregular ones they used to get right. Then, of course, they eventually learn the exceptions as exceptions.

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      “The History of English Podcast” is really fun and gets into the weeds of why English is such a mess.

      Not be be confused with “The History of England Podcast”, which is also really good.

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      To some degree you’re right, reading doesn’t make you intelligent in and of itself, but I do think constantly reading like that does make you to some degree smarter. Like even if you’re reading slop, you’re probably smarter than if you had been reading nothing.

      It has also been proven that reading makes you more empathetic, because you are actively putting yourself in the character’s headspace.

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    Audiobooks do the reverse.

    “Wait, that’s how you spell that??”

    I guess it’s usually with names, though.

  • I first saw “epoch” in Chrono Trigger and I thought it was pronounced like “E-Pock.” Years later, I found out it’s the same as “epic.” So I had probably actually heard it spoken before ever reading it, but thought they were saying “epic” and not “epoch” because, in the context, both words would absolutely work.

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    Chimera, Chitin, and even Drow are a few that I got wrong because I read them in a book first.

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    This joke doesn’t work for a normal language like spanish that has regular orthography, only languages like english or french that have broken spelling.

    Klingonese is read the way it’s spoken so it also wouldn’t suffer from this problem.

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      a normal language like spanish that has regular orthography

      que necesitas para entender que esto es algo falso? Un Casco?

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        Every letter in spanish is always pronounced with regular rules. You don’t have to guess. Things like “pingüino” and the u having the diaresis makes it obvious that you have to pronounce the u in the word vs “quitar” where you don’t pronounce the u.

        Just because you can pronounce s and c the same and c and k the same doesn’t make it bad orthography.

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          Just because you can pronounce s and c the same and c and k the same doesn’t make it bad orthography.

          yes it does

          Source : Turkish speaker.

          EDIT : It’s not just s c and k, q also gets involved. LL and Y and some variations having J and G enter into it, the constant H letters that don’t get pronounced, etc etc.

          No romance language can say anything about being “regular” from an orthographic sense.

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      Well if you can read IPA, it’s something like /məˈkɑːbrə/

      Although I’d argue the ə can be silent.

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        It’s a word like “cuisine” that doesn’t just come from French, it’s literally a French word and properly still pronounced the French way, so silent “r” and silent “e” on the end.

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    I often start talking about a book I’m reading only to realise I have zero idea how to pronouce the names of half of the characters.

    My sister recently blew my mind when she straight up pronounced “the Teixcalaanli Empire”, presumably correctly and without any hesitation. I haven’t heard it out loud before then. Hell, I didn’t even know it was possible to pronounce it in the first place.

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      None of the Dune audio works can agree on how “Tleilaxu” is pronounced. I’ve heard everything from “telly-axe-uh” to “t’lay-lax-you”

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        We were actually talking about A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine. Can’t recommend it enough. It’s narrowly my favourite lesbian science fiction debut novel-turned-series about a galactic empire of 2019.

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          ~Halfway through atm and enjoying it, reminds me a bit of Ancillary Justice. Didn’t know it was a series. What’s your runner up?

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            Gideon the Ninth. Very different, very fun.

            I didn’t like Ancillary Justice that much. I loved some of the themes and how the world works, but narratively it felt like it was always pushing too hard to be dramatic. I think I’ll finish the rest of the series at some point, but it’s not quite for me.

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              I tried getting into gideon, but it just felt weird in the way it was written. Something about the narrative’s perspective and framing was hard to grab onto.