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    Anyone could have known as early as 2016. Just by checking the Wiki page on demagogues and having a look at the tactics section.

    Both Hitler and Trump check all of those boxes. These two have more in common than people want to admit.

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        Well, having a book like “Mein Kampf” on your nightstand is not a good sign either, but him using all the methods of a demagogue should have been unmistakable and even more obvious.

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      He was reported to have kept a copy of hitler’s book on his nightstand for years, so yeah, there was that. He directly quoted mussolini and stalin at that. There was never any doubt he would try to become like them. It just so happened that the rot in our institutions, and opposition party, was so deep nothing stopped him, even though he’s an incompetent braggartty bore. Those are his better qualities. It’s depressing we lost our republic, it appears, to that asshole. The party will take over after he’s gone too they fully intend on fixing elections.

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    Interesting that German Nazis didn’t wear masks. Guess US Nazis are cowards? Or maybe we just need to give it more time until the impunity becomes systemic.

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      American racists are cowards, just like at the kkk.

      They know it’s bad what they are doing

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      many of the ICE are also race traitors; hispanics blacks, thier community will know the moment they are outed as an ICE pig.

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      Nazi Germany didn’t have to deal with the slight issue of CCTV, doorbell cameras and every single person having in their pocket an Internet-linked camera with facial recognition capabilities

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        That only matters in the case of actual accountability. At this point, these fuckers won’t see justice unless they happen to be on the losing side of the civil war/war of independence, depending on who is writing the history books.

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      True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.

      Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

      The Allies were absolutely more favorable to surrendering Nazis, no question, but let’s not act like Paperclip was somehow unique or exceptional.

      It’s more salient, I think, that the Nazis concept of Lebenstraum was inspired by American Manifest Destiny, as did Jim Crow laws for the Third Reich’s legal implementation of genocidal policies.

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        If you look at the denazification program the Soviets did in East Germany, and then look at the lack of such efforts by the Allies in West Germany, you get a better understanding of the different approach by each side to Nazis.

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          Exactly, Soviets wanted to wipe them out, while Allies took them in. Soviets are by far the real heroes.

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        True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.

        Most countries and nations are shit. Name a single ruling politician from any first world country that oppose trump.

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    It’s really not for so many reasons. But high speed mass communication changes everything. It’s really far worse. Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.

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      Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.

      This was true in Nazi Germany too.

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      Well, the evil red fash tankies you hate so much made enormous sacrifices and contributions in order to bring them down.

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        So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?

        Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland. If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?

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          So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?

          I like them when they’re killing Nazis, yes.

          Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland.

          Oh and let’s not ignore Britain and France allying with Nazi Germany to give them the Sudetanland.

          If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?

          If the Nazis had never declared on the Allies, would they have attacked them first? Is there a point to this counterfactual?

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            Cool, I don’t like capitalist states even when they’re a broken clock sometimes.

            Likewise I don’t like Britain and France, so I’m happy not to ignore them, nor do I think they would have invaded to stop the genocide if not for the invasion of Poland.

            You seem to be deflecting and arguing against a liberal instead of an anarchist. Better luck next time.

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              At this point I’m genuinely confused why you asked the question in the first place. What answer were you looking for? Because last I checked the Allies, who collectively stopped the fascists, were an alliance between state entities. Specifically, between capitalist states and the USSR. But you “don’t like” either of those, even when they’re fighting the Nazis!

              Why would you ask a rhetorical question to lead people to an answer you disagree with? Christ, the brainworms are beyond my ability to detangle.

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                Your little gotcha’s didn’t land, so now you’re going back to square one?

                I was asking because the answer was the use of force - not waiting until the mid-terms to vote in what will most likely be the most rigged election in US history. A answer I feel most people understood, but of course you had to try and shoehorn in ‘the soviets were great’ which isn’t surprising from you lot.

                Either way I’m done replying now, you can simp for genocidal authoritarians to someone else.

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                  If the use of force alone was enough, the Nazis never would’ve come to power. There were plenty of people willing to face them in the streets and match their violence, far more than there are in the US today.

                  But it’s obvious that you just want to exchange snipes and have zero interest in actually learning anything from history, so you will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past. Even when the fascists are at your doorstep, you’ll still be punching left, and demanding everyone follow incoherent and dysfunctional ideas because you can’t be assed to read theory, study history, or engage with anyone beyond snipes and memes.

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      Because they didn’t just stick to oppressing the citizens of their country, they invaded a country that had allies and they caused a war which they lost.

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      They were opposed by a coalition of other countries led by an emerging super power who cooked their asses in a world war ending in nukes.

      Oh. Oh no.