Watching them wrestle with this situation is probably the funniest thing I’ve seen this week but pretty sure Trump worship/racism will win out 😁

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    MAGA has been fracturing for a while now, this is just another further division. Everything is going to fall apart when the big beautiful obituary happens, god knows when

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    History time.

    Back in the day, some Left women went to the Right To Life ladies and proposed an alliance.

    Nestle was going into Third World countries and giving out free supplies of baby formula. Except they’d only supply enough to make the mothers stop lactating; once mommy stopped producing milk she was forced to buy expensive formula.

    The Right To Life women were appalled and wanted to attack Nestle.

    Enter Ronald Reagan and the 11th Commandment. He told the women that Conservatives should stand united and not listen to the Left under any circumstances.

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      The other grim thing about that Nestlé story is that often the mothers didn’t have access to clean water to mix with the formula, and many babies consequently sickened and died.

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            Just heard a story about a private plane that’s stuck in Maine due to the snow.

            They started sending out warnings three days ahead of the event. But I guess the folks who owned the plane figured that they’d get special treatment, because they own their own plane.

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    all my local facebook nazi sympathizer had to say about the matter was… nothing. they shut their mouth up tight about this event.

    now they’re ranting about how people don’t realize that the anarchocommunists want people to get upset and support the anti-ICE protests, because it’ll provoke a reaction that they can use to justify further violence.

    it’s just an absurd statement considering reality is flipped, I had to read it twice to ensure I understood what that dumbass was saying. and this guy owns a business and wants to start a neural company of some kind…

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    Are they fighting? Just went to check and it seems like the narrative is entirely “protester had it coming”

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        That is always what happens with potentially controversial news stories over there. Before any official party narrative have been established, the morons are just freestyling their own thoughts, then the official narrative is established from above, and the morons who freestyled wrong gets erased, and peace and unity reigns once more among the fascists.

        It has been the standard practice at least since 2016. The reason they still have any accounts left is because it is nothing but sock puppets and bots.

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          Must be nice to be able to dictate a narrative like that. Also to be so annoyingly united. Whereas the opposing side is always fractured and fights amongst itself

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            Democrats’ traditional governing methodology is consensus-based, whereas republicans’ governing methodology is traditionally authoritarian.

            It’s slower, less efficient, and prone to reaching impasses, but ultimately it’s more humanistic and healthier for civil society.

            There’s not really a best-of-both-worlds. Consensus or authority: which do you value more?

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              This doesn’t appear to be just a us politics thing though. It seems that most places have only one far right party

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                The reason the west has distinguished itself as the “free world” over the last century is largely because many western countries have liberal democracies built on consensus-based governance. That’s not limited just to the west, of course, but the west pioneered it and for decades were considered the “leaders of the free world.”

                There have always been authoritarian governments, and hardly ever a shortage of animosity between them and the “free world.”

                Of course, the “free world” itself was never perfect. But it did make a lot of progress. The Nordic Model was perhaps the most pro-social form of governance the world has seen to date.

                Unfortunately, the west is deteriorating. People are losing faith in liberal democracy as many of its weaknesses are leading to critical failures (such as ungovernable stalemates like in France, or polarizing politics such as the US), neoliberalism giving corporations too much power and late-stage capitalism becoming a transition from financial oligarchy to technofeudalism, and a resurgence of far-right authoritarianism due to a combination of factors (widespread discontent due to social inequality, economic stagnation, and wealth disparity; misguided ire due to algorithmic manipulation, sensationalist reactionary populism, and foreign adversarial disinformation/propaganda/psyops/hybrid warfare).

                It really feels like the western experiment is falling apart, and I don’t know what the future holds but it looks bleak. Prior to the post-WWII rules-based order, the world was a dark place. Maybe it hasn’t exactly been a bright place since, but it’s been brighter than otherwise, brighter than it was before. Some people say it’s good that the west is falling apart, but they forget that the values of humanism, equality, and diversity were incubated within this western experiment. There’s a reason everybody wants to move to the west, and it’s not because it sucks. Maybe it does suck, but not as bad as other places. Why else would people be leaving their homes to move to the west? It’s because they’re seeking a promise of a future; a civil order, a social safety net, education and career opportunities.

                What happens if the west falls apart? What happens if it gives in to far-right authoritarianism? What if the social order collapses? People like Putin, Lukashenko, Orban, Khamenei, they would have a big chuckle. That would be a very dark day for the world.

                The world is already facing dark days, but they can still get much darker. The world still seems to be getting darker. Every year lately seems to reach a new low. We’re entering an age where chaos, hatred, violence, and oppression rein.

                It doesn’t have to be this way. Not everywhere. The last strongholds of democracy can still hold together. Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. There are more places that can still be considered part of the free world, but it seems like every one is facing troubles. Everywhere, that way of life is coming under attack.

                I don’t know what the answer is. It feels like a force of history that’s as unstoppable as an avalanche. Maybe there was a point in time when it all hung in the balance, but once it tipped over to the wrong side it’s all been tumbling down since. Maybe either side it tipped, it would tumble. Maybe holding that delicate balance was the trick. In that view, it’s quite impressive that it lasted as long as it did. The last time the world order broke down so catastrophically was in the lead-up to WWII.

                No, I don’t think there’s any stopping the dark days that lie ahead. We failed…

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        I caught myself from falling down the rabbit hole after the “Weird Christian Rant”. Excerpt:

        We have a liberal minded protestor doing what they think is the most justified thing imaginable. I’ve been there before as a young rebellious metal head, and I really feel for the heart of these young protestors just starting life. While at the same time, we have conservative minded federal employees doing what they think is the most justified thing imaginable. Been there recently as an older person who understands the legality and purpose of immigration laws.

        The both-sidesing and casual dismissal of “young” people (Pretti was 37). And still that comment got removed.

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          Yeah that comment bugged me. Was very dismissive like “oh he’s young and thought he was on the right side.”

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              Nothing to do with anything. That sub has always been one of the most censored subs on reddit, that is the only way they are able to contain it as a propaganda bubble. I have followed it since 2016 and it is the same as it was then.

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                I don’t think I ever visited it. But I feel like I recall something about conservative people who wanted the Epstein files released were being banned from conservative subs.

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      There was a time early on when a few commenters had said “oh, shit. That’s not cool.”

      Mods seemed to have cleaned up the dissent from the Party narrative.

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        It’s always the same game. Anyone who speaks out against anything the Trump regime is doing is declared a leftist infiltrator/brigader.

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      Its certainly the narrative being pushed. Every once in a while when something like this happens I like to go on Reddit or Twitter and see what the MAGA social media narrative pushers are trying to do and what people who casually browse their are seeing and saying. MAGA has obviously decided that the rhetoric is that that protester deserved it. A few conservatives and most liberals are angry. Corporate democrat liberals think ICE needs more money for better training.

      I think I hate them the most.

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        Seems like maybe you should hate the neonazis the most. Just saying, maybe second place is more reasonable.

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          Nah, the person I feel more anger towards is the person who claims to be my ally against the nazis and betrays me in favour of said nazis. Both are nazis, one just tries harder, is more deceptive, and is more effective at fucking me.

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          But that wouldn’t ensure a Republican victory for any future elections that may happen.

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          It’s in line with MLK’s Letter From Birmingham Jail. It’s the moderates that angered him the most because at least with the KKK both sides understood each other’s position. Enabling violence through sheer ignorance despite best intentions is absolutely frustrating in the least.

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      Yah, I think the left and progressives broadly get too much satisfaction seeing conservative infighting because we project the way we infight onto them, like it’s principled and thought-out.

      Nah fam, this is like that couple who lives across the apartment complex from you and gets into loud screaming matches every other night, then you see them the next day and they’re climbing all over each other in public.

      They’re reactionaries, they don’t have firm values or principles, they just scream whatever they’re feeling at the moment, and feelings can change like the wind.

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          They broadly have stronger cohesion because frankly dumb people lean on each other to get through hardships, it’s what we’ve done as a species for hundreds of thousands of years to fantastic success. It’s overpowered. Ten people with room temperature IQ’s who back each other up no matter what are going to always beat out a group of people who are very intelligent but each have their own vision for a longer-term future.

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            Some people are more predisposed to look up to hierarchy and authority, and also not to rock the boat. They kinda go along with whatever the group does.

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              Yep, that’s another survival tactic, it served us well when we were roaming and searching for places we could live and eat. Not so much now when we all are supposed to have our own wants and futures and we can get packaged meat at the local grocery store.

              The trick is going to always be for our species to figure out ways to get people to use these survival impulses in ways that help us as a community. And I don’t know how we’re going to do that at all. Fear and anger are much stronger emotions than charity and compassion for strangers who look or talk different than us.

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      Yep! For a brief window, they think for themselves. Then, they get marching orders and suddenly, they conform.

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        It’s the Meta strategy. Facebook for right, Threads for left and Instagram for all things nice and pretty.