The DNC will absolutely shit all over her efforts. They’d rather lose the elections than have a progressive win.
Have you seen Democratic party approval ratings? They can shit on her all they want and it will only help her win.
And yet they’ve lost in every way you can lose. If we don’t have a good candidate like AOC, then the GOP will dominate.
It’s a shame but they probably will.
Democratic voters don’t want to waste their votes on another unelectable female presidential candidate.
I agree with your statement but I mean that I want AOC instead of another unelectable female candidate.
I want to vote for AOC and I’ve been registered Democrat since 2016.
No, the people currently in the Democratic party don’t want to rock the boat and maintain status quo. They have cushy jobs they don’t want to lose to people that actually want to help fix things so they’ll stand in the way in any way they can.
I’m not saying that Americans won’t think “oh, a third? really?” but you have to remember that Kamala fucking sucked. She was a pacifier the Biden administration threw at us to shut us up about him stepping down, and she knew she was, and if she cared at all, she lacked the strength to step out of line or say anything about it. Nobody believed she would meaningfully change their lives—that’s ultimately why she lost.
She lost to the fascist head of the new project 2025, and in her closing speech said something about the stars in the night sky and went on vacation. Pointing out that she’s a woman before pointing out that she and the rest of her democrat cohorts do not have any beliefs is absurd.
This Democratic voter would love to vote for a young, promising, progressive candidate though
As much as I’d love her to be president … I agree - this country is not ready for a female president.
Not with that attitude it isn’t. It also wasn’t ready for a black man to be president, a Catholic man, a disabled man, a gay man, etc.
Also, in 2016 the majority of Americans did vote for a female president. This indicates perhaps it wasn’t the right candidate rather than the wrong time.
Time after time we put our heads on the chopping block thinking this Tim it will be different. Do me a favor, save this and let me know how it goes if she somehow gets the nod from the DNC which she won’t. But if she does and once again we lose to a repub you let me know how that went. I’ve heard plenty of women say they don’t want a woman in office. I don’t agree. But this country is not yet enlightened enough to make that happen.
Do you even realize that Hillary and Harris have similarities that aren’t tits? What voters don’t want is another corporate sellout.
News flash - most voters aren’t us progressives.
What does being a progressive have to do with it? They aren’t liberals either. They are elitists and corporatists, and most voters aren’t that either.
Except when you actually talk about policy they are. Ask someone “would you rather have free healthcare or means-tested subsidies for employer-sponored insurance purchased through 1 of 50 state-run websites. The plans change every year.” “Should anyone be able to go to college without worrying about debt? Or should almost everyone take on random amounts of debt, and have no idea what that debt will be until they’ve already applied?”
I get where you are coming from, but I am not sure I agree. It would definitely be something to behold if it happened.
I do share some of your pessimism about this though. I to think that AOC may be shunned by the DNC neo liberals.
I like AOC a lot. She started as any other member of The Squad but has actually learned how politics work and is doing a, mostly, spectacular job of balancing ideology, the will of her constituents, and generation of political capital. In so many ways, she is what Sanders would have been if he got his head out of his ass twenty some odd years ago.
If she runs for POTUS in 2028, she is a god damned idiot. I am still skeptical if this country will EVER elect a woman for POTUS. But she is also still quite young but has almost an entire Hilary Clinton worth of chud-hate and attacks. Whereas Senate makes perfect sense for her.
That said? I could see a world where AOC could… once again be the anti-Bernie. Run for POTUS in the primary. Energize basically the entire youth of the nation. Then lose and immediately endorse the winner while leveraging her influence to get important action items on the ticket. But… I want AOC as a leader and not just as the bait and switch.
I am still skeptical if this country will EVER elect a woman for POTUS.
I’m not sure that’s a reasonable takeaway from the last two times a woman was a major party nominee.
Hillary Clinton was not especially charismatic, which is arguably what wins general elections in most cases. She was also unpopular with progressive Democrats, and widely seen as having secured the nomination unfairly when Sanders might have been both more popular with the party and a stronger general election candidate.
Kamala Harris was severely handicapped by the combination of being nominated without a primary process, starting her campaign very late, and positioning herself as a continuation of Biden at a time when Biden’s popularity was very low.
If AOC were to win the nomination, she would be in a much stronger position for the general election than either Clinton or Harris.
If charisma wins elections how did Trump win?
Edit: forgot that he most likely didn’t, at least the second time. Still, how did his potatoe charisma get him the first win?
Have you seen the man work a crowd?
His antics don’t work on you, or on me, or likely on most people you or I would be friends with. They clearly work on a huge swath of the population though, or we wouldn’t be where we are today.
Work a crowd, as in talking barely comprehensible gibberish and hurling insults at people? So charismatic…
2016 Trump ran on the idea of being the good businessman who was going to clean up the swamp and get this
company’scountry’s act together. Just like any other CEO selling to investors. I have friends who, halfway into his campaign, were like, “I kinda like this Trump guy, he tells it like it is,” and by the time of the election they had completely 180’d on him because of the details of what he was promising.One of these friends is super into cults and true crime, and he says that listening to Trump is eerie because he sounds exactly like Jim Jones. Then, and now. Back then he sounded like Jim Jones in his prime (and read Hitler’s speeches as bedtime stories according to an ex-wife, which would explain why all his campaign promises match up with Hitler’s). Today, he sounds like Jim Jones making his death speeches while you can hear them forcing the cultists to drink the Flavor-Aid and gasping, choking, and dying in the background of the recordings.
The people who liked Trump the first time and didn’t change their minds then were never going to change their minds the second time. They’ve already bought into the cult. And that’s what Trump is - a cult leader. He promises them a solution to their misery by giving them an obvious target to take their aggression out on, and people eat it up because they want a simple solution that absolves them of any blame.
ran on the idea of being a good businessman
How could anyone buy that, given his well known complete failure as a businessman? Only a stupid person would.
Anyway, it’s besides the point of our main discussion. I don’t know who Jim Jones is, and you’re right about Trump’s populism and MAGA being a cult, that still doesn’t make him charismatic though.
Jim Jones, of the Jonestown Massacre. The cult leader who we got the phrase “drinking the Kool-Aid” from (though they actually were too poor to get Kool-Aid and they laced Flavor-Aid, the off brand version, with cyanide instead). When he started out, he was actually a very influential Civil Rights activist who is responsible for the policies that would later become the foundation of the civil rights laws in his home city. But he later became a crazy cult leader and by the time of the cult’s mass suicide, he ranted like Trump does today.
As for how anybody could believe that Trump’s a good businessman, many people only know him as that guy from The Apprentice, not the businessman who has bankrupted multiple casinos, an airline company (and beauty pageant for young girls who he flew around the country with in his private plane - just him, the girls, and a man by the name of Epstein), and who couldn’t even sell steaks to Americans.
Yeah, thank you. The problem with Hillary and Kamala is nobody liked them. Now sure you can argue " maybe people didn’t like them because they’re women and they have a bias against women". I never heard anybody online saying " wow! I would sure love to have Kamala as president but I just don’t think other people will vote for her". I see lots of people saying that about AOC. At some point you have to look around and be like oh wait…lots of people are saying they’d vote for her.
AOC has a message that people want is a key thing. Harris kept it too safe to really sway anyone that wasn’t already sold, unfortunately. That’s not to say Harris didn’t have a published policy list, but it wasn’t what people were seeing or hearing. If Harris came out as a progressive, which I believe she was, then I think she would have swayed middle America.
The problem I think is that harris said she was going to continue Bidens economic policy when a lot of people really are feeling like the economic policy from both sides is benefiting only the wealthy. If any policy helps the little guy then it is such a minor help that it goes unrecognized.
Inequality skyrocketing, wages stagnating, and then you say you want to continue the policy? Not great campaign. Trump lost in 2020 and won in 2016 and 2024 because he was anti status quo. Most people don’t really care about “all the other” stuff and are too stupid to realize anything outside of “do I want change RIGHT NOW?” and then vote yes or no based on that
It was very poor messaging for sure. That’s not to say Biden didn’t have a decent economic policy plan, in theory, but it never got off the ground due to the grid-lock in the Senate.
I mean it would be better than now but I really don’t think the plan was good enough to change the outcome. He would have had to be far more radical than he is
Oh for sure on all counts; Biden really should not have been the front runner in 2020. Hell, just planning on running for one term would have made a world of difference. Still I’m hopeful for AOC 2028, I think it could be in the cards if the DNC doesn’t pull a Bernie on her.
I am still skeptical if this country will EVER elect a woman for POTUS.
USA has no problem electing a woman (see below). But I am still skeptical the dems will EVER nominate a non-fascist for president.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024
AOC would receive my vote.
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Defeatism doesn’t help anyone. It’s worth trying, at least. It might not be reliable as the only action any more, but that doesn’t disqualify it entirely.
don’t usually pay attention 3 years out. VP pick could be key.
I think the bigger problem isn’t that she’s a young talented woman and America isn’t ready for that, I think the DNC is too stupid to ever let it happen even if it means winning because she likely won’t play as much ball with them as they’d want. My money is still on the DNC pushing Buttigieg. I believe they will offer any major opponents the same kind of offer I believe he got when he was crushing Biden in the early states. Drop out, make way for the anointed one, and we’ll give you a cabinet position and a shot down the line (maybe). The DNC will absolutely go younger, but I do not believe they’ll ever go progressive, which is why they will never get my vote again until they do.
I can’t wait for the DNC to pull a 2016 and tank her campaign for someone more “moderate”
By god, it’s Hillary Clinton for a twelfth attempt at the Presidency! It’s HER TURN
Joe Biden returning with his hair dyed black like Creed in that one episode of The Office.
Newsom, probably
More manly candidate
Should have done it in the last election.
She was barely old enough to run then.
i dont think she was old enough
She was born 10/13/89 so she was just old enough.
She was, her birthday is in October while the election was in November.
she wasn’t ready. Or should I say: the Country wasn’t ready.
I still don’t think they are. Mostly because woman. Bunch of pigs out there that can’t stomach the idea of a female leader
Piss off imputing bigotry for the rejection of two universally unpopular sold out Corpus hack women. They both lost the majority of the woman vote, are those women not ready for a woman leader too? Or maybe you are just being tooled to say that so the people that forced those unpopular candidates on us do not have to lose their jobs to make way for people that can get us a winnable candidates.
They both lost the majority of the woman vote, are those women not ready for a woman leader too?
Sadly yeah this was my anecdotal experience. Strong women with careers and positions of power in their own personal relationships felt that a woman just wasn’t suited to stand up to Putin or Kim jong un.
Clearly I meant it is not about the characteristics of that person but their character. There were lousy candidates so they did not get support.
How insulting is it when someone tells you you should vote for a woman that you disagree with because they are a woman in the us?
I just hope their primaries keep some unity and don’t make her or Newson losing votes depending on the pick. Dems are too split inside and I could see neo-liberals not voting for her or lefties not voting for Newson. If Dems can’t find unity they will not win.
We’ve gotta do everything we can to prevent a Newsom or other craven neoliberal lunatic from getting the nomination, otherwise we are going to get a much much worse traitor lunatic next time around.
America will not vote a minority woman as President in this century. They would never even vote for a woman.
Right candidate, wrong country.
both just did the exact same strategy that always costs the dems elections. Hilary won the popular vote, remember?
Popular vote isn’t enough in the United states. Also, Hilary is Bill’s wife. That’s part of why she got as many votes as she did. If I was American, I would vote for AOC but I know she’d never win. A woman of colour has no chance down there. I hate saying it, but it is what it is.
She and Bill also controlled and funded the DNC.
I think there’s something to that, but I think with a sufficient mass movement behind it, such a candidate could overcome the obvious treason.
I consider myself a neoliberal, and I am going to vote for AOC. I have grown quite fond of her over the years and she is quite the politician these days. She’s extremely sharp and polished. I think she’s ready.
Neo-Liberaliam / Economic Liberalism is part of what got Trump elected. The sense that Capitalism was beyond the reach of meaningful governance, and will always just aid the wealthy getting wealthier - created a hunger for radical change.
People end up just wanting radical change out of frustration, regardless of what direction that change takes (left or right). They just want a break in unrelenting Capitalism.
Which explains why for many, Bernie, AOC, and Trump, were all likable/popular choices at the same time.
Newsome as a moderating figure will prevent any strong shift away from the service of Capitalism as above all else, and hence is a huge danger to the politics of equilibrium. It’s ratchet theory, keeps things stuck.
… Neo-Liberals should be embarrassed to admit who they are, because they caused this, by claiming that Capitalism and deregulation is a moderate position (steering the ship of state between the left and the right) - when infact that’s an economic extremist viewpoint which excuses inept government and the corruptions of money… and when perpetuated infinitum as it is, it becomes the cause of voter radicalism.
Neo-Liberal economic policies create the unshifting corruption and two-tier “too big to fail, too rich to jail” system that people want to vote against.
In this sense Newsome is dead weight, representing Bidenism 2.0. Neo-Liberals should be ashamed of themselves for not just accepting their part in creating the quagmire, but wanting to continue it.
I think this is the point she should start fearing for her life.
A car accident or random violence could always just, y’know, happen.
It’s rumored that the CIA hacked Michael Hasting’s car and killed him before he could expose the CIA Director.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Controversy_over_alleged_foul_play
Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard A. Clarke said that what is known about the crash is “consistent with a car cyber attack.” He was quoted as saying: “There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers—including the United States—know how to remotely seize control of a car. So if there were a cyber attack on [Hastings’] car — and I’m not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it.”
I have never forgotten that case, and remote control of cars has been demonstrated IRL in the time since, so I’m definitely convinced of the possibility.
That’s a very fair fear. 2 dead demos 1 almost kid napped that wacko that charged the white house and all the bombs that got sent to Obama.
Also Kirk Advenger whacko’s. Her and Bernie along with progressive YouTubers are probably the top of their list.
Aoc 2028 baby
Schumer better just retire
There are two ways this can go
- AOC is sabotaged in the primary like Bernie, she loses
- AOC somehow wins the primary, shes than sabotaged by her own party during the general election and loses.
The billionaires would probably run a liberal coded centrist in the general just to take votes form her.
she looses
Looses the dogs of war?
EVERYONE STOP TALKING! They also forgot an apostrophe. Gotta love prescriptivists.
It highlights lack of care, thought, or capability, thus reducing the impact of the overall message. It matters.
Yes, it’s a casual comment, a casual thought written casually. All of your assumptions here don’t apply. Why not spend time having a conversation rather than bringing it to a screeching halt enforcing made up rules? The only time I think criticizing grammar is warranted is if you’re genuinely confused about what they’re trying to say, and you can definitely be more polite when doing it.
Because they’re Liberals, why would they hold a genuine conversation with a Leftist when they can just insult me and move on. They know im right as they very often do and they have no real counterpoint, when I dont have a typing mistake to make fun of they just call me a tankie or a Russian bot for not bowing to the party.
Honestly why can’t mofos on the Internet spell ‘loses’ correctly?….
Same reason why they keep mixing up you’re and your; or there, their, and there. It’s simple stuff, but maybe they’re non-native speakers (or probably just dumb).
She is the only one I’ll vote for. No compromise. AOC or no vote.
I love her, she’s my Congressional Rep, but my vote is going to the candidate who very clearly articulates that the primary mission of their presidency will be to ruthlessly and mercilessly purge the MAGA Scourge from America, including imprisoning Trump, and ALL his henchmen, including his family.
Everybody in the Trump administration is a National Security Threat, and should treated as such. They should be rounded up and sent to Gitmo, to be extensively interrogated about their treason and corruption. None of them should ever breathe free air again. Several of them should not even breathe again.
My candidate is the one who will finally say that America can’t move forward until the MAGA Party is declared a terrorist hate group, and prohibited from existing, and the Conservative Propaganda Machine is dismantled and their propagandists imprisoned for treason.
Only then can we move on to dealing with the Sociopathic Oligarchs.
For real, until we crack down on the corruption there simply can’t be any real improvement.
Campaign Finance Reform is the issue from which ALL other issues flow.
True Campaign Finance Reform would prohibit ALL forms of lobbying, make elections federally funded and limited to 90 days before election day. No PACS, dark money etc. No special interest groups money or ads. No political donations of any kind, from anyone. All money of any kind is is BANNED from politics.
Once money is out of politics, the only political currency will be the vote of the citizens, with each citizen getting a single vote. You are registered to vote when you are born, and it is automatically validated in your 18th birthday. Your vote cannot be removed for any reason, including a felony conviction. Incarcerated prisoners can still vote (if anyone needs political representation, it’s prisoners).
Political campaign speech is required to be accurate, and if it is not, a person’s candidacy can be removed. Lying candidates will not be on the ballot on election day. An “eating the pets” statement in a debate would lose your candidacy.
Debates will be weekly, will be broadcast on every broadcast network with an FCC license. and attendance by the candidates will be required. Failure to show up to the debate, fail to behave properly, whining about the hosts, interrupting, arguing, etc. and you will lose your candidacy.
A campaign should demonstrate the fitness of the candidate for office. If they can’t behave properly and responsibly on the campaign trail, they have no business in the Oval Office.
And this country will never succeed until ALL money is moved from the campaign process.
I think removing money from politics would be a good thing and I think your suggestion are logical and would be a vast improvement to what we have now.
Holding politicians accountable for their policies is a no brainier. So should being disqualified for lying. Every politician should be graded with a report card on how they are doing at getting their policies enacted.
Policies/laws/regulations should also be reviewed to determine if they are having the correct impact, if not they should be repealed or replaced. Without mechanisms like this we never know if the laws we pass are working as intended. We should also always be accounting for negative externalities.
I’m with you on all of that.
Conservatives are always talking about running government like a business, which is a terrible idea. However, there are things we can borrow from the business world, like accountability.
If it’s broke, we fix it responsibly, and then make sure the solution is proceeding properly, and if it isn’t, we tweak it until it does. We can’t keep having massive tectonic shifts in our governmental systems every 4-8 years
Any candidate that says this outloud would very likely fall out of the nearest window.
The republicans know they are guitly, they know they should be in jail. They will do ANYTHING to stay in power and out of jail.
And the Democrats have to commit to doing anything it takes to get the MAGA traitors out.
Look what it took to dislodge the Nazis. If we go too long, and the MAGA Nazis get their roots in too deep, that’s what it’s going to take to liberate America from them.
Candidates can still signal their intentions in other ways. It doesn’t have to be out loud per se.
The main concern I have—and if she’s going to give it a shot, give it a shot, I say—is that she won’t have the fire or aura necessary in her rhetoric to capture the anger the of the American left. I would love to be proven wrong, though. I’d certainly trust her more than that fuckin snake Gavin Newsom.
When she speaks, I feel her intelligence, commitment, strength, and FIRE. She NEVER backs down from a fight, and she always has a withering comeback to MAGA insults.
The more people see and hear her, the more people are going to love her. I’d love to see her in a presidential debate with Trump, or any other MAGA.
I would get my US citizenship to vote for her.
To all the “pragmatic” Americans will never vote for a woman crowd… There are already women in high positions of government all around the world, including Italy, not exactly a bastion of progressiveness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_government#Current_heads_of_state_or_government
Hillary Clinton and Harris lost because they were terrible. Maybe the Dems should run a candidate who’s not terrible??
Clinton and Harris lost because
they supported the status quo of people not being able to afford things!they like genocide!they’re WOMEN!The “never a woman” crowd confuses me because I’ve never seen a president or my father take his dick out to fix anything.
I will direct you to Johnson.
The “never women” crowd would never vote for a progressive candidate to begin with, so I don’t think it really matters.
The “people will never vote for a woman” crowd is sort of right. A woman will never be elected with the current DNC, but only because they view a woman candidate as an excuse to be shittier. They think their base will hold their nose and vote for a worse candidate just because of what’s in her pants.
AOC might get elected because she’s interesting on her own merits and has enough name recognition to not be buried by the DNC. They’ll do their best to prevent it though.
Michelle Obama would crush Trump… But unsurprisingly the dems would rather lose.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024
Michelle Obama only polls well because of name recognition, she’s essentially a non-political figure.
What’s her position on the genocide in Gaza? What’s her take on universal healthcare? What’s her plan for Ukraine? Would she fight for gun control? Etc etc…
Right now, people can imprint their personal beliefs onto Michelle. If she would run, she would have to clarify all of her political positions, and then her poll numbers would naturally drop.
