Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.
Hollow Point USA
Are there hollow point rifle rounds?
Yes
Well. That is news to me. Anyway.
Just for reference.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/ammunition/308_win-hollow_point/
Naw, looked more like a jacketed round.
Is there anyone even left of substance at turning point?
I’m sure his neck turned hollow at one point
True
“Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings!”
Hydrostatic shock is a hell of a drug
It’s honestly been a while since a breaking news story put a massive grin on my face
After the attempt on Trump, I thought these guys had force fields around them. One shot, 200 yards, and a great day.
Schadenfreude moment.
Nope. You don’t get schadenfreude when you are defending yourself from someone determined to kill you, your family, and everyone who isn’t openly nazi.
More “Whew, that nazi almost killed Indiana Jones before tripping and getting run over by a tank!” and Less “I’m glad you got hurt by the door you refuse to fix.”
Calibrate your enthusiasm.
sigh
You’re fucking right. This human POS honestly deserved much worse than he got.
How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn’t Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.
Seriously, I’m shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.
Don’t forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer…
If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.
If there’s anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would’ve prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.
If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else.
Trump isn’t invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.
At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he’s not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues
Again, what issue is solved? I don’t understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.
there was never going to be enough capitulation
I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement… But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him.
The “Epstein thing” is never going to have reprecussions within Trump’s natural lifespan. Those “50yr birthday cards” that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.
What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a “deep fake” and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it’s existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn’t matter.
he’s not irreplaceable
Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you’re saying and I unfortunately don’t think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It’s how the state has kept “leftist” orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.
There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.
You need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don’t see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you’re seeing here?
The “Epstein thing” is never going to have reprecussions
It’s hard to tell, but it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters, showing that it is possible, at least for some people, to snap out of the cult. Obviously some will always support him, no matter what.
it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role.
I don’t think it will hurt them in any significant way, maybe even the opposite. Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure and it’s not like he had much of an operational role. He was a propagandist and he will still be used to spread far right propaganda, even in his death.
I understand that he was incredibly influencial, but that’s mostly because he was a pioneer of the modern right who made the right wing cool to a younger audience, but his methods have since been adapted by many other right wing propagandists.
Or can you explain why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right? Because I don’t see it.
it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters
Has it? You added a lot of weasel words to that claim there. If so what evidence specifically disillusioned them? Again from my perspective I hear a lot of “this will surely be the end of him” and then that predicted “end” never comes. My understanding is that disconnect comes from an inaccurate belief that there is equality under law, equality in reporting, etc.
Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure
Probably, but if martyr figures were that powerful then wouldn’t it be useful for ‘the left’ to also start martyring themselves? Martyrs can only ever do passive propoganda, Charlie was doing active propoganda and ultimately I don’t think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right
- one less active propagandist
- power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
- chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
- impulsive and poorly planned ‘retaliations’ causing further damage
- reminding those ‘in power’ of their mortality
Has it?
Yep.
You added a lot of weasel words
The point is that Trumps image can change, even for his core supporters… I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use “weasel words” (aka estimates and guesses)…
I hear a lot of “this will surely be the end of him”
I doubt that there will ever be the “one thing” where everyone suddenly realises they have been duked… Obviously that’s not how it works…
if martyr figures were that powerful
Ever heard of George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner? Those people weren’t even influencial to the left wing as a movement when they were alive (unlike Kirk), yet they still fueled one of the biggest movements in recent years.
start martyring themselves?
Some people do that, but in order to be powerful, they have to have been killed by the enemy you want to mobilize people against… Which is why the right will do whatever they can to blame this on “the radical left”, no matter what.
I don’t think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
I think you are incredibly wrong on this point.
one less active propagandist
Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists out there who do pretty much the same thing. Also, events like this have a tendency to inspire more propagandists and radicalize people.
power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
Possible, but again, tp is not THAT important. They have turned a significant part of the youth and have a likeminded regime in power that continues to concolidate power. And they can an will use this event to consolidate more.
chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
That’s not gonna happen…
impulsive and poorly planned ‘retaliations’ causing further damage
Damage to whom? You don’t know because the potential results are unpredictable.
reminding those ‘in power’ of their mortality
Like Trump’s failed assassinations?
These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other’s lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.
He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer dude
Forgot about Trump and Vance did you?
I’d say the comment implies that Kirk isn’t as bad as Trump and Vance.
I’m interpreting it as: if he were anyone nicer it wouldn’t have happened to him.
I was curious what the topic of his speech was but I didn’t want to watch the video. What was he talking about?
An audience member asked how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years.
Charlie says “Way too many”.
The audience member responds, only five.
Then the audience member asks, “And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked back.
BANG
Righteous.
Gun violence, funnily enough. He had just finished the quintessential conservative “black and trans people cause most mass shootings” argument.
I certainly didn’t watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to “how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?” was “too many”… the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.
Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I’m sure inside they’re fucking scared, trying to guess how much they’ll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.
“America has lost one of its greatest champions,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller wrote on X. “All of us must now dedicate ourselves to defeating the evil that stole Charlie from this world.”
Laura Loomer, a MAGA loyalist who has Trump’s ear, called for “cracking down on the Left with the full force of the government. Every single Left wing group that funds violent protests needs to be shut down and prosecuted. No mercy.”
Elon Musk, the X platform’s billionaire owner, was even more blunt. “The Left is the party of murder,” he wrote.
Jesus fucking Christ, these people are capable massive cognitive dissonance. It’s not surprising as it’s right out of the fascist playbook.
Yet they completely ignore that a guy went around killing & attempting to kill Democrats just the other month at their homes.
Why the fuck is Donald Trump the one announcing his death?
Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else??
I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal.
It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm…
It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book.
Yeah I’d say it was convenient if there wasn’t a major Trump scandal each week in the past ten years at least.
Quite true… trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can’t think of a week in 2025 where there’s not something significant enough that they’d be looking for a distraction.
Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn’t even confirm anything we didn’t already know.
Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that.
But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change.
200 yards is a very novice distance with a rifle.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we’d shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don’t know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it’s not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn’t want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder.
Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I’m assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something.
It’s just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn’t. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice.
From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a “tripod”. I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn’t calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course.
the official story says the shot was 200 yards from a building, but the videos (the ones being wiped right now) are showing the shot coming from inside the crowd.
edit: cant find the videos anymore, sorry guys.
Huh?? I’ve seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit
EDIT:
Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say
Please post a link, I want to see.
I’m not sure the dot world admins would like that.
I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit
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The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy.
not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd.
i literally cant find them anywhere now.
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Occam’s Razor.
The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot.
I don’t know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don’t know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot
First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away.
Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed.
An ex army friend of mine said he’d be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training.
Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn’t sound improbable.
Doesn’t need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn’t moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn’t too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope.
Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed.
If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose
Why assume the shooter wasn’t aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know.
Worked out though
Yeah. But there’s what 350 million of y’all?
If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot… then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don’t know that they are.
Ain’t no solidarity like fascist solidarity.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was someone just more right wing than him who took issue with “softer” stances, like not murdering trans people in the streets and only criminalising them.
Or the Whitehouse kept an open line with the hospital and Trump lacks the decency to let the family make the announcement on their own terms.
Toilet Paper US tells Trumpie that Charlie Kirk is dead. Trumpie can’t resist telling everyone. Family finds out through a Truth Social post.
Multiple government leaders found out they’d been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn’t give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web.
Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump.
The golden rule of fascism: always first accuse others of the conspiracies you’re going to engage in.
Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else??
Absolutely zero chance it’s a false flag. Turning Point USA is a huge boon to the Trump admin.
I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal.
IMO we just need to wait and see. I see no evidence that the shooter was a leftist or liberal… because I’ve seen no evidence about the perp at all.
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Because the orange tumor ordered his execution?
I’m betting the shooter is a pizza gater and got upset Charlie stopped talking about the Epstein files or something like that
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I don’t feel bad when evil people die, but I also don’t chuckle this much. The irony is very much alive, unlike Kirk.
fuck I guess at least it was worth it
The way the mic just falls out of his hand 🤣
I watched this while taking a shit. Thanks for the link!
Sad they will never identify the vaccine that caused this.
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That’s because it wasn’t a vaccine!
It was the LiBeRaL mInD vIrUs!!!1!! 😯
Bruh… We are in for an explosion of political violence… Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
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I think we’ve been in one. After Trump got shot, I predicted that political assassination would be the “cool thing” among the stochastic terrorism types, and that seems to have been true, between Luigi, That guy who killed those legislators in MN, and now this.
I would like to note that Luigi Mangione has not been convicted of anything and it has not been proven that he was the one who killed the UnitedHealthCare CEO, there was also a lot of improper police conduct in relation to his arrest.
In fact, I’m pretty sure I saw Luigi Mangione outside my local grocery store roughly halfway around the world when the alleged killing happened.
If we’ve been in one…
No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
They were going to do that regardless of what happened today. At least they’re one raging Nazi short.
Always remember yall, they hate us for existing, we hate them for the harm they cause to others. We are not the same.
Now they’ll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won’t be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.
Nothing good has been accomplished here.
I take your point. More Nazi goons need to get it, ASAP.
You sound like when an abused child tells his baby sister not to do anything to make dad mad
You sound like someone who is okay with murdering people you don’t like
I wouldn’t murder anyone but I’m certainty not going to be upset when a shit gibbon gets his neck blown out.
You sound like the kind of person that if someone was getting attacked in the street, you would grab their arms to stop them defending themselves while saying to them that they need to be the better person.
I would happily kick you in the face if that were ever the case
That’s such a stupid example. This isn’t a Luigi moment, Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people’s deaths. There are indeed people I would not feel bad about, but congrats on making most normal Americans (outside of this little terrorist bubble) feeling bad for Charlie Kirk and his now-fatherless children because some random guy didn’t like what they heard on the Internet. I’m sure MAGA will resign any day now and install Bernie Sanders as president because your threw a murderous hissy fit. 👍
Charlie Kirk was spreading horrible messaging to the youth of America. He spread racism, homophobia, sexism, and hatred. This is closer to a Luigi moment than anything else. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Hope you have a good job, you’re gonna be spending a fortune on bullets
Well, that doesn’t make any sense at all as a third party reading this bullshit. Perhaps you should calm down and stop reacting and start READING.
That’s okay I’m fine with not being a terrorist
So you are pro-fascism? Good job.
Dumb
I mean they invaded dc. Likely this doesn’t change anyone’s plans
Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he’s a jew simp and threatened him.
Why blame Nazis? You are clearly demonstrating that there are plenty of leftists willing to murder people they disagree with on the Internet
Agreed, no one ever thinks of the poor Nazis. What did they ever do to hurt anyone?
…Recently. No, more recently than you’re thinking. Like, they haven’t killed or lynched anyone in the last 30 seconds, have they? QED!
Holy shit! You still there!? It’s was neo Nazies 😂🤣😂🤣 I totally called it. Dragging my nuts across your propaganda is making my day.
If you were so sure it was Nazi you shouldn’t have lead with “Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable.” and then spent the whole arguing why this murder is justified.
That’s was my point: that thinking is how Nazis acts, not progressives, and that by applauding this you are making it easier for people to claim the left are the violent ones and playing right into their propaganda.
The fact that you are relieved it was potentially Nazis tells me that deep down inside you know this was bad for business, so thank you for spending another toilet break to follow up on this.
This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.
They say you should only speak good of the dead. He’s dead. Good.
Bravo. Practice what you preach. It’s about time these people started putting money where their mouth is, eh.
Or stick their necks out.
Was it his gay lover that killed him?
I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we’ve just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
But then, we keep discovering that they’re right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they’re not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.
Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.
They’ve already decided what they want to do. The military has invaded our nations capitol and our second largest city, Trump is threatening Chicago too, and we’re giving a quarter of a trillion dollars to ICE etc. They were already using that Ukrainian woman’s death to push their racist narrative. They will find something regardless. They will happily manufacture a controversy from anything. See Cracker Barrel.
Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of “see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they’ve done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!” If it’s a right wing idiot they’ll just gloss over that and say “look how violent our cities our. There’s criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!”
My money is on right wing accelerationist
Supposedly it was an older white dude, and the alt-right has been rumbling about him (apparently he’s not conservative enough) for a while now. So I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this is just another case of conservatives consuming each other.
You hate to see them fighting each other.
Was this to silence anyone with firsthand Epstein knowledge?
I wonder if Tucker Carlson is sh!tting his pants right about now.
We know Trump is. But that was before he heard the news.
Assuming he was was wearing pants and not tanning his balls.
Not sure he has any.
is this the mythical “good guy with a gun” that republicans promised?
I think that’s Steven Crowder, Charlie Kirk also did the ‘change my mind’ thing, but be had a much smaller face.
Today I dance to P Funk, alive, and smoke weed to celebrate, alive.
You outlived Charlie Kirk. You’re doing pretty good, I’d say.
ajj
I love the parade march from Phantom Menace so much
