lumpen2

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So i’m just gonna say a few things, If this issue is me being MIA and not appointing other mods, okay that’s a fair criticism, I should have been logging in/posting more, but I’m going to respond to a some other points.

The reason I chose this instance is because of the limited options available, aside from my personal affinities towards solarpunk, and reality is joining a US centric general instance would be more hostile towards this community because they are likely aligned with Biden Administration and liberalism. I don’t get why this not being a US centric instance would be a problem on a federated network.

For the record I am an anarchist and my promotion of a third party candidate is as protest against the 2 party system – particularly because they’re the only candidate that advocates on behalf of Palestine – for me at least it’s the same of supporting someone like Vermin Supreme , obviously the guy isn’t going to win, the point is subverting the election ( which is a totalitarian media spectacle) and utilizing it as means of propagating socialist ideas.

So i don’t see how supporting a candidate who will definitely not win is reproducing hierarchical electoral politics, since doing so indicates the futility of electoral politics itself. That argument seems like an overly dogmatic misinterpretation of anarchist principles.

Hello, well it seems like a done decision, I did get pretty disillusioned with the candidate a while back figured I should keep the community up for simply Documenting the campaign, but it’s not really worth the kind of hostility that every post brings, I could message people who are more active and see if they want to mod, but pretty the members on this instance don’t want it here so

absolute bullshit, it burns more in carbon to run those machines than it takes out, this is making shit worse at an accelerated pace

I say wait for election day and flip a coin, that’s basically how elections are determined, the arbitrary whims of the margin of people in swing states who go out to vote or not. You’re individual vote does not make any difference in the absence of mass organized action, and the Democrats are terrified of exactly that kind of mass organization because otherwise they wouldn’t be so secure in running corporate puppets like Biden.

If you wanna be realistic about it Voting in any state other than a swing state is basically ‘throwing your vote away’ : Vote Blue in a Blue State you’re just throwing it in a pile, Vote Blue in a Red State it’s just as much a symbolic protest vote as anything else. Only in a swing state will your Vote make a tangeable difference which is why those are the only states either party even campaigns in for the most part.

my opinion is those boats are too damn big

you know they used to have these things called sail boats

People who are saying “this is technically correct” forget that The 9nth amendment says this

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

Which is to say, Just because a right isn’t explicitly enumerated in the constitution does not mean the people don’t retain that right. I would think the right to not have the planet not be destroyed by Fossil Fuel Companies would fall under that, along with clean and and water and all the rest.

it’s amazing there are people who’s job it is to write this bullshit

i don’t think whitehouse dot gov is the best source for this lmao

Personally I prefer to just not pay for anything exept internet and torrent and stream everything for free, much cheaper, no restrictions

lmao, i’ve been getting that constantly

even without the visibility, the point of “etiquette” isn’t strictly that it’s enforceable it’s just stating good manners

You should try understanding where the other person is coming from before accusing them of being brainwashed by their government.

Have you ever looked at the so-called Political Compass? There’s a ‘left to right’ axis and an ‘authoritarian to libertarian’ axis https://www.politicalcompass.org/ So you can be authoritarian and leftist according to them (there is a hidden bias in the test, towards libertarian socialism)

I’m not even saying that, I’m coming at this from more of a ‘post-left anarchist’ perspective, that there is no ‘leftism’ as such but what is left or right is a relative historical development, so otherwise contradictory movements end up being lumped together as ‘leftists’ by historical accident, but they still end up influencing each other, so for example marxism has historically influenced anarchism and vise versa.

You’re saying there is some ahistorical ‘true’ leftism that’s objective and indistinguishable from anarchism. You can also just say “anarchism is cool” and I would agree with you and we can not have this pointless argument. see also no true scotsman fallacy

you seem like a nice person, i get that you misunderstood what i said at first. now you’re really committing to arguing with me

Leftism is cooperative and anti-hierarchy

well, no not really, that’s anarchism, which is historically a small part of leftism, sometimes there are no anarchists in a leftist movement.

“Leftism” historically has all kinds of hierarchies, Marx, Lenin, Castro, all very hierarchical. You can say they are not real Leftists. Personally I would not say that Marxists Aren’t Leftists, that seems incorrect to me. I have lots of disagreements with Marxists but they are part of “the Left” whether we like it or not.

The Jacobins, who were the first group of people to be called “Leftists”, were ultra hierarchical and dictatorial. There’s a funny story about the Origin of the terms ‘left’ and ‘right wing’: during the french revolution the National Assembly would meet in this big room, the allied delegates would naturally sit together. Some sat on the Left side, others sat on the Right side. That’s it, that’s the the origin, there’s no innate essence to leftism, it’s certainly not some trans historical entity.

okay so, just like in spatial terms, left and right are relative, right? There’s no objective left or right, there is no left or right side of the planet earth, right?

So for example there is a left of the Democratic Party, like AOC, but they are only left relative to the rest of the Party. So what is meant by left wing of Wall Street are the relative left leaning capitalists, i.e. bourgeois liberals

Left and right are also relative historically, what may be considered far to the left or right at one point and history may later on be reversed.

i bet you’ve just been sitting on the line huh?

you should have read the rest of the sentence, I said “the left wing of Wall Street” I’m saying it’s capitalist propaganda

um, imma call bullshit, because it’s not coming fast enough, of course it’s NYT, the left wing of Wall Street right ther