insurrection

literally a country song

“Mussolini enjoyer”

this is some bad faith bullshit

when does kropotkin infantalize and dismiss marxists?

oh god, it’s like reading parenti

make it stop

i’m not saying it’s a common feature in fascist societies. i’m saying nothing about the explicit ideology precludes it.

right. and while the ussr may have been socialist (i honestly don’t want to take a position on that), the features of the society that you cited are not explicitly socialist. you mostly cited the existence of institutions within the state and some statistics about the standard of living. those could appear in a fascist society, as well.

I didn’t say anything about whether the ussr was socialist. I said the evidence you gave doesn’t preclude the ussr from being fascist

i’d say that it becomes an empty accusation in the modern context, yea. like, duh. the modern state is fascist. but it’s not useless to understand the characteristics of the systems that oppress us.

i know, right!

tell em what they won!

i’m sorry, i’m not going to engage with parenti at all.

the so-called private sector depends entirely on the state to enforce private property claims. the state issues corporate charters. the state “regulates” these corporations to ensure they benefit the state.

eco’s 14 characteristics are more like symptoms to diagnose fascism. the fascist ideology doesn’t require any of them except point 4 and, to a degree, point 13. it just so happens that fascist regimes will often display the other characteristics. they are not inherent to the ideology.

I got my definition from Mussolini. where is your from?

everything inside the state. nothing outside the state. nothing against the state.

that’s what fascism is. none of what you described precludes fascism

just saying it doesn’t make it true

none of that precludes fascism

Nazis did love us. we’ve always been on the forefront of legalism, detention, and genocide. de toqueville wrote extensively about it

I like to sing “the preacher and the slave” to them

“civilized”

your imperialism is showing

id argue it’s not good to let systems of governance document people