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  • We do see this in reality sometimes.
    When a company leaves, they usually still own the buildings (assuming they didn’t just lease them). Typically they would try to sell them off. It’s not unheard of that a similar company picks up the location and hires back some of the staff.
    Think of one supermarket closing shop only for another to open in the same location.

    What happens if a company does not sell depends on the country.
    When companies left Russia, several stores were continued under new management and afaik some businesses were not sold off but seized. Whether the owners were reimbursed for that seizure I do not know.

    All that said, I want to repeat that businesses leave countries usually due to lack of profitability. It has no (rational) link to a personal wealth tax.


  • Nobody who held this opinion was ever able to even give me a rough idea of an explanation how it should supposedly damage the economy.

    Because if you tax the rich, they move away! And that’s clearly bad because…
    They take their wealth with them! Just think of all the jewellery that will hang of people’s necks in other countries and all the overpriced art that was never publicly displayed, now not visible elsewhere.
    And of course they’ll take all the housing and factories and the land they’re built on, stuff it all in their pockets and fly away with it.

    Just think of all the jobs. Not the jobs, companies are already offshoring now, of course.
    And ignore that companies make such decisions based on productivity, available infrastructure and supply chain networks.
    No, they’ll move to less profitable countries because clearly not paying taxes is more important to rich people than making more money.

    And of course, we can’t tax people when they move away, so we shouldn’t tax them to avoid this.




  • Districts each get a seat. That is the part you are not getting.

    They do not in the example. The example only knows a single winner.

    thus why you think Blue wins it all

    I think that blue wins because the example literally tells us that blue wins.

    that is NOT how districting and gerrymandering works in the US

    And if the infographic said “Gerrymandering as it specifically works in the US only” then that would be relevant.
    But it only explains it a general abstract concept. One that can also occur outside the US. This general concept can also occur without US electoral districts that get some seats. It can occur in any voting situation where the overall population is divided into subgroups.

    the graphic is a hypothetical that EXPLAINS the real-life situation

    Yes, it explains one specific mechanism. Namely changing district shapes to affect the outcome. And the outcome in the example is one color winning.
    I do not care how things are in real life, because my comment has nothing to do with the real life situation, only the one depicted here.


  • Yes, becuase the purpose of this info graphic is to show how Gerrymandering works in real life

    Yes, by changing voting groups in such a way that one party achieves a maximum of individual “wins” to achieve an overall “win”. That is all it shows, there are 50 people split into two colors, five districts and one winner. No seats anywhere.

    Gerrymandering has nothing to do with taking individual seats.

    Right, because it it the process of rearranging voting groups to affect the overall outcome and has nothing to do with what the winner gets.
    in other words

    Gerrymandering, (/ˈdʒɛrimændərɪŋ/ JERR-ee-man-dər-ing, originally /ˈɡɛrimændərɪŋ/ GHERR-ee-man-dər-ing)[1][2] defined in the contexts of representative electoral systems, is the political manipulation of electoral district boundaries to advantage a party, group, or socioeconomic class within the constituency.

    or

    gerrymandering, in U.S. politics, the practice of drawing the boundaries of electoral districts in a way that gives one political party an advantage over its rivals

    or

    gerrymandering, noun an occasion when someone in authority changes the borders of an area in order to increase the number of people within that area who will vote for a particular party or person

    What then would be the “perfect” result between only two parties running, and 60% support going to the blue party?
    I never claimed I knew what a perfect system looked like or that perfection would be possible at all.
    I don’t need to know how to solve all problems in the world to tell you that the world is not perfect.

    1 seat or for 5 as IS SHOWN in this graphic?

    Ok please take a big red marker or a graphic tool of your choice And draw a circle where on the graphic it SHOWS that red gets anything, besides abstract districts.
    If you could highlight the fabled seats, that would certainly convince me that they are shown somewhere.
    Whether the districts impart any sort of political influence beyond the tally of which team gets to be the overall winner, depends on completely different factors not part of the graphic.

    you are conflating vastly different things

    I am not conflating anything. I am deliberately ignoring anything not in the info-graphic that presumably wants to teach us something.
    It only shows how different district shapes affect the outcome of which team “wins”.

    You are the one conflating the abstract presentation on this graphic with some specific real-life situation.