Most people instead buy pre-hung doors.

Bad example against reparation i.m.o. since when the hinge break they don’t buy a new door(whole), but swap the broken hinge(part) for a new one.
Good example in the case of DIY though, since the hassle may not be worth the time spent.

most components can’t be so easily replaced.

Every module in my computer, mouse, keyboard, screen, or, i.d.k., lamp torch, can be easily replaced with a screwdriver.
Even phones could be made easy to open. If you have a counter-example in mind to « unless when the part is difficult to access, which doesn’t seem to be an engineering necessity in most cases ? » written above, then i’m interested.

Even if you have access to spare parts, it takes a lot of time to repair something even as simple as a radio.

But opening it and swapping the spare part(, well, welding it back then,) took less than 5mns.
What took a long time was opening it without breaking anything since it was fragile, with parts glued together. Radios were more complex than nowadays.
And they didn’t stop at swapping the spare part apparently, but ran a full diagnostic because other parts aged as well and, e.g., a shorted transistor could overheat a transformer.
To me, it seems like asking for an individual to repair his watch himself by getting a spare part, these are the kind of situations that should be done by pros. But then even if it takes many hours we’re not talking about a 20€ product, so it’s usually worth it to repair instead of buying a new one(, which is why people repaired them instead of buying new ones).
Other examples could include houses or cars, which are repaired because buying new ones wouldn’t be worth it.

But the example of the radio still goes in my direction, because back then it was difficult to swap the spare parts and yet people still went through the trouble of repairing it.
How much more would it then be pertinent for objects that are thrown away while a pro could easily swap the spare part in 5mns(, or an individual do it h·er·im·self).
The problem i.m.o. is that there’s no repair·wo·man and no spare parts at a cheap price with close warehouses, so it’s not profitable/widespread.
You’re saying that most objects couldn’t have their parts easily swapped while i’m saying that most could(, at least we agree that some can&can’t)

Unless you can automate the entire repair process, increased automation will make us more likely to throw things away.

I also disagree that more human labor would be required to swap a part than to build the whole product 🤷
I even think that less human labor would be required to swap a part than to build it.
Many humans are involved with the production process, from mining to selling.
And if you were thinking in terms of advanced robots taking human jobs, then they’d eventually be able to do simple reparation as well(, and more&more complex over time).
(Edit : and if we could have said that «this automaton will create 150 circuit boards of this particular model every model, while the previous generation only made 50/h», we can also say that «this automaton will create 150 different kind of circuit board, while the previous generation could only create 50», if that’s part of the counter-argument)

And worse, automation makes it easier just to start from scratch.

Not easier to build the whole than the part

You can always take a broken device, throw it in a crucible with a mountain of other broken devices, and just melt the whole lot down.

Not really :)
But you could strip its parts yes, that’d be the most sensical option if you can’t repair it.

Sure, i’m optimistic(, but it’d make so much more sense than throwing away)

It’s always going to be easier to automate the production of goods than the repair of goods.

We can automate the production of spare parts.
And swapping a part for another is quick and can usually be done by the consumer(, or by a pro if it’s more complex).
Repairing a part is hard, but swapping it is usually easy, unless when the part is difficult to access which doesn’t seem to be an engineering necessity in most cases ?

I looked into buying a DIY kit for making a mouse recently in order to easily repair it(, and eventually improve/customize it i.d.k., at least understand it better), but there’s not much choice so i gave up and bought one at 30€.

you often find it is made of parts you can replace

But good luck to find these parts, they have a serial number but from my experience with a computer screen, the circuit board is really expensive and takes a long time to ship, so they told me to just buy a new screen(, it was only one of its ~4 circuit boards, and a small component of it furthemore, but everything was thrown out).
That’s probably why most objects are just thrown away and people don’t even attempt to repair them(, if it was cheaper that practice would probably be more widespread)

I have repaired my computer mouse recently

You opened it and found a spare part online for a cheap enough price ?
It must be a big(&unusual?) brand if they sell parts for their mouse online.

now they’re like over $200

I’d have to look at the specs to see if the difference with a $40 mouse is worth paying 5 times more 🤷

Wow

It also reminds me that it was apparently cheaper to destroy most of the military equipment when leaving Afghanistan than rapatriating it.

Industry and automation made production way more cost efficient

It should still be cheaper to build a new part(, and change that part,) than a new whole(, and buy that whole).

And i.d.k. if it’s the only reason for the low prices : it’s cheaper for westerners to buy from non-westerners(, including mines or actions), and conversely.
Repairing is done locally(, otherwise the transport would take too long), and ends up being more expensive than buying new products made externally.
Our productivity may be higher[1], even if we’re deindustrialized, but their minimum wage is way less than ours.
[1] : I.m.o., even more obviously when considering that we’re in the finance sector, we may reverse things when saying that a high productivity explains the difference in living standards : it’s the difference in living standards and GDP that inflates the productivity.
Since productivity∝GDP, then countries with a high GDP will have a high productivity.
And a country that increased its GDP(, e.g. through increasing its minimum wage perhaps,) would hence increase its productivity. Just an uninformed thought on my part, i.d.k. honestly.

If i keep the example of the computer mouse, it couldn’t cost 20€ if it was produced locally, if only because it takes much more than 2 cumulated hours to build one, at a minimum wage of 10€/h.
Conversely though, it’d mean that it’d be very expensive for a non-westerner to buy products made in the west, which is the case, but we can still manage to sell them because we have a monopoly on new technologies(, with e.g. Japan or South Korea, but then again their minimum wage is high as well so it’s the same remark), such as planes or softwares.

Who knows, 50 years ?

I don’t think we’ll continue like that, it can’t make sense for too long that buying a new one is cheaper than repairing an old one. I suppose.

Wow, 30%

Worth repeating that medias should be owned by their journalists, and financed by giving citizens an allocation that they’ll distribute between medias as they see fit, like a vote.
The thing is that it’s not a problem of solutions but of will, they want to control us, otherwise they’d improve the current system.

The problem always was that China didn’t censor Tiktok.

State surveillance begins when protecting privacy is treated as a suspect act.
Preventing crimes apparently necessitates to forbid any resistance to surveillance.
So much for France/Europe being a defender of (digital )rights.

I wonder how many people you managed to get banned after reporting them

(edit : just saw that it’s only 3 days, ok then)

Yo, congratulation on getting him banned, you did it !

Asshole.

Then the first part(, leaving the choice of blocking an instance to the user,) is a relatively common desire since i’ve already seen it expressed before. If enough people keep asking for it then it may happen.
I’m making a lemmy app and among other things you’ll be able to follow (a group of )users and not only (a group of )communities, sthg reddit will end up adopting probably. And you’ll also be able to display the “All” tab with multiple accounts. So, if you have an account on lemmy.world, as well as on the instances blocked by lemmy.world, then you’ll be able to have access to all instances at once.
You can see the instances blocked by going to sh.itjust.works/instances, or lemmy.ml/instances, and as you can see only very little instances, for spamming i think, were blocked. Which means that you’re probably already seeing ~99% of lemmy in your “All” tab ?

It doesn’t solve the presence of moderators in communities but that may be kinda out-of-topic from your original subject.

(i’m going to sleep r.n., so don’t be surprised if i don’t answer before tomorrow, not that there’s necessarily something to add, but you seemed to go further than being able to talk with all instances from any instance of origin)

To do that, would it be enough if instances can’t block each other, or if users could unblock the foreign instances blocked by their original instance ?
You’d also want some .onion instances, and that they could communicate with those using the DNS.
Am i missing something ? You seem to also have more to say

I’m saying Lemmy’s censorship is the same as reddit’s because we still have roughly the same groups as on reddit.
I still post to about the same audience or smaller, not bigger than peak reddit.

If these two sentences are meant to be understood together, then it’s misleading to use the word censorship i think, it’s more a mix of a lack of visibility and echo chambers, in which case these are two things that don’t seem debatable/false.
If i understood you correctly, could you expand on your solution ?

From what i understood :

• When you’re critcizing the incomplete/broken system of federation, would it be enough if instances can’t block each other(, even if you’d probably don’t mind if users can block instances) ? I’ve seen that same thought in /c/fediverse a few times, along the lines of being able to access a real “All” tab ;
• Instances shouldn’t communicate through DNS because authorities could block it, hence why you’re suggesting to use Tor, it’d make Lemmy a.n free/unconstrained network ;
• You’re making a mistake i.m.o. when stating that Lemmy will become censored like Reddit, because you can’t have the same Lemmy admins for all instances. So, while Reddit banned republicans and communists, it can’t be done for Lemmy(, unless through national/federal laws). You probably already knew that, just in case(, bonus by the devs) ;
• It feels like the core of your speech ? In any case, i’m missing almost all of what’s surrounding it hence the comment above.

What do you imagine the outcome of that would be?

Depends, i haven’t understood what he talked about, and neither have you. What if it’s a moderation made by the user h.er.im.self, while taking into account the vote of users with the same “tags”/preferences as him ? That’s not his idea but other methods are possible, in any case it’s aiming for an ideal of freedom, it’s left to us to see the best path in attaining it, and internet is still in its infancy.

Almost everyone in this thread opposed him bar a few people.

And they didn’t understood what he said, and you’re always answering aside

I’ve read less than half of the comments here, but my main feeling is that the downvotes only happened because they didn’t understood what you said, in their mind you want something even less censored than 4Chan, which will lead to something even worse than 4Chan, they believe that moderation helps in healthy discussions.
I’ve got reserves on that, for example mods should only ask for the user to edit h.er.is comment instead of instabanning them for life, and as i said elsewhere our states don’t only ask platforms but are making laws to “moderate” the internet.

But that’s not what you were talking about, these downvotes should tell you that your thought hasn’t matured enough to be presented as a clear project, like here :

I will not be spinning up instances of anything. I will seed hashes in bittorrent-like P2P networks, I will put my posts where they fit, I will look for posts from others in the most anti-censorship ways I can find, and I will hope devs and server admins create a version of Lemmy that’s fitting for more of my posts - while hurrying toward a possible future where Tor isn’t enough to make Lemmy relevant anymore, because P2P networks become the only place worth posting anything.

At first i was furious because i thought that many people opposed freedom of expression, but after reading more comments i’m relieved that it’s still seen favorably by a majority.
The problem here seems to be that your “vision” isn’t clear enough, and that’s probably why you wanted to discuss it with others. The good news is that people didn’t oppose your ideas

It’s a bit late in France so i don’t intend to stay much more online(, and you’ve been at it for more than 12 hours), even if i’d be interested in your answer because i frankly still don’t understand you, sry :/

(you must feel powerful to write that, it’s fortunate that the mods only censored one of his comment)

Then ask him if that’s indeed why he talked about Tor, i.d.k. 🤷

His original post states « it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything » if that’s any indication

Just like terrorism apologia wasn’t applied for all citizens, give them some time to enforce an already existing legislation, they still don’t have all the tools but it’s coming together.
Usually they ask the platforms to do the censorship for them.
Anyway, that’s perhaps why he mentioned Tor, i.d.k.