‘Of course there’s going to be retaliation,’ says one expert. ‘It may be that this is what Trump’s interested in’

For decades, the US and its allies have painted Iran as the world’s biggest sponsor of state terrorism – invoking its Islamic rulers’ supposed revolutionary fanaticism and determined support for militant proxies.

Now a long-standing but mainly latent threat is coalescing, with the war waged on the country by the US and Israel, to raise the risk of an attack on American soil to levels unseen since the murderous al-Qaida assaults of 11 September 2001, experts say.

In an election year, opponents of Donald Trump are warning that such an event could rebound to his advantage – providing him with a pretext to crack down on critics by declaring a state of emergency or even cancelling November’s congressional midterm elections.

Two attacks on Thursday alone illustrated the heightened dangers.

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    I’m more worried that the US will attack the US and BLAME it on Iran.

    I don’t trust that orange guy that lies all day. Not one bit.

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      A year ago I would have dismissed that as an insane conspiracy theory. Now I think it’s very plausible. I was actually afraid it would happen at the oscars

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      This. I don’t think 9/11 was an “inside job”, but I think THIS asshole is quite capable of trying to orchestrate a false flag on the United States so he can save his fat ass from any consequences whatsoever.

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        He’ll do it, it’ll be obvious, trump supporting media will debate endlessly about if it was a false flag, trump will go full enabling act anyways, Congress won’t stop him, and the supreme court will OK it

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        Didnt he already do that? The “sniper” who splashed some “red dye” on his ear during the election was definitely a false flag. You dont get that much bright red blood without hitting an artery and there should be at least the semblance of a teeny tiny scar.

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          The huge crane moving the American flag DURING a presidential speech to get a photo opp of the shooting was the clencher for me. What an idiot.

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    I’ve been saying since dumpster came into power that he’s gonna attack the US, or attack another country that retaliates, so he can declare martial law and stay in power until the fat POS dies, hopefully painfully.

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    Likewise, a global economic crisis might also be the point. Would undermine China’s trade and growth, would help fascist parties in the west and give Trump an excuse to cancel or rig the elections because of a ‘crisis’

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    They need a 9/11 style support for war.

    They want this.

    But irans plan is literally laid out. They’re doing everything they e said they’d do.

    They’re going to fuck us economically. It’s going to get wild unless something wilder happens. Neither is good.

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      If there was another 9/11, Trump wouldn’t be able to decide whether it was bad because America was attacked or good because he doesn’t like New York City.

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      From another post I made: “ I don’t think another 9/11 will unite Americans how they’re thinking it will this time. I can imagine he thinks that there will be a grand incident in the US and everyone will unite behind him as our savior to stomp down the “big baddie” and he’ll be looked at as a hero.

      That’s not gonna work this time. He’s too hated and will be looked at as the one who caused it and fracture even more. You can’t play that card twice. ”

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        You’re right. The point isn’t to unite. The point is to round people up into concentration camps with just enough levels of fear and uncertainty to make the average person believe they won’t be victims of the fascist state as long as they don’t speak out.

        First they came for the communist…

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    The have been ‘IS’ themed attacks in new York already.

    I expect a false flag attack before the elections.

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    Dude elections aren’t going to be canceled. That idiot can try but states do what they want by design.

    People need to stop saying this, or at least say every time that they can try it but it’s not going to work.

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      You’re still assuming that legality means anything to them. So far, they have been trying to maintain a fig leaf of legitimacy, but that could change at any point. If the military obeys Trump’s illegal orders, he can override or ignore any law, up to and including the Constitution. Laws only have meaning if they are enforced. That has not been happening for a while now.

      Trump has the capability to send troops to seize state capitals, or to bomb them, or to arrest state governors and legislators. We all hope he won’t, but what is going to prevent it if he tries?

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        The thing we don’t know though is how the general public would react to these types of actions.

        The general public is still largely unaware of most of what has been happening, and they still believe they live in a democracy and will continue to do so until they can’t vote in mid terms. That will be the first major wake up call for a huge percentage of Americans and we will see what happens if the regime does take that action.

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          I agree. If that happens, things will change, but there’s no telling in what way. All I can do is cross my fingers and make sure the filters in my painting mask are current.

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      You realize that “states doing what they want” actually requires those in power to fight back, right?

      The state needs a governor that will actually be the first to resist the voter suppression measures and fight back.

      I think this is the issue and crisis that Americans can’t seem to understand. Laws and “rights” are words on a piece of paper. That paper is less helpful than a roll of toilet paper if there are not people with guns (state police or citizens etc) that are willing to defend the rules on those pieces of paper against the other guys with guns (ICE and military) and their new “federal” piece of paper that says the states are in violation of new pieces of paper.

      The pieces of paper aren’t what matter. The guys with guns are. When there is a disagreement over the pieces of paper that is when society collapses. No amount of “well the new paper is in violation of the old paper” will stop the guys with guns from coming to enforce it. The “new paper” is now how violence is enforced as long as the guys with guns decide to follow it. And they will.

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        Governors and states are already passing laws to fight back. That is the correct approach at this point even if it doesn’t feel aggressive enough.

        We have to see what the regime actually does before we find out what the next level of response should be. Some governors won’t fight back, but some definitely will. It’s not black and white that everyone would just roll over. There’s a lot of angry people right now and losing the ability to vote would really piss people off. I think that would be the straw that breaks the camels back.

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          I have trouble believing that because I’ve been seeing comments for over a year saying this next thing will surely be the last straw

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            Watched this video just before Trump took power. Has helped me keep my perspective.

            https://youtu.be/0YFdwfNh5vs

            There’s no time too late for someone to mark their Rubicon. Because fascism keeps moving forward step by step.

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    They gave someone on a terrorist watch list a VISA just sona CI could never leave his side till the FBI picked him up for an “assassination plt” the CI planned and the guy on the list wasn’t even into.

    The only thing crazier than that, would be thinking it wasn’t done once.