Hillary Clinton is facing a deluge of criticism after stating that young Americans’ growing support for Palestinians is influenced by “totally made-up” videos on TikTok and suggesting that American youth - including young Jews - “don’t know history and don’t understand” Israel’s war on Gaza.

Speaking on Tuesday at a summit hosted by the right-wing Israeli paper Israel Hayom in New York City, the former Democratic presidential candidate expressed her concerns that “smart, well-educated young people” in America and around the world are getting a lot of their information, including about Israel and Palestine, from social media platforms like TikTok.

The former US secretary of state described it as “serious problem for democracy”, remarking that when she attempted to have “reasonable discussions” with young people, it was challenging because “they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda".

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    Go fight Donnie over Bubba’s dick and shut the fuck up. Genocide is bad, mmmkay? Can’t believe its hard to grasp.

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    The former US secretary of state described it as “serious problem for democracy”, remarking that when she attempted to have “reasonable discussions” with young people, it was challenging because “they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda".

    Look, lady, at some point the prior history doesn’t matter. The history we’re experiencing right the fuck now is a single day, a single attack, by Hamas responded to by two fucking solid years of calculated extermination and nullification of the Palestinian people.

    It doesn’t fucking matter what happened thirty god damned years ago when the average age in Gaza before Oct 7th 2023 was fucking sixteen! Guess what Hillary you fucking idiot, 16 year olds haven’t been alive long enough to have had anything to fucking do with that history!

    The fucking audacity of her ass to be talking about the “history!”

    Of all people, this bitch deserved to lose to Trump. She even used her connections to promote him in the media because she was fucksure she would end up in the general election against Jeb Bush. That’s what you get for fucking over Bernie Sanders!

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      Well I mean even if you do look back historically Israel took the land from the Palestinians and displaced like 700,000 of them.

      That is why that war will never, ever end. They stole that land. It wasn’t theirs.

      I like how they leave out that part of history though. Don’t wanna talk about that or you’re antisemitic which is absolutely bullshit.

      Steal peoples land and then act all surprised when generations of them want you to die and get their land back. Seems simple enough.

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        We need to stop calling them centrists and call a spade a spade. They’re conservatives, plain and simple.

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          I don’t even like using that stupid left-right sliding scale to describe American politicians anymore. That’s not what most of these people are. They are just conduits for oligarchy to filter money from the working class to the elites and don’t hold any real personal ideology beyond that. They campaign on divisive social issues but for the majority of them that’s really where it truly ends within the context of political ideology as a working class man OR as someone who studies the philosophy of politics understands it.

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            You’ve successfully and correctly identified the problem with using the “left-right sliding scale” to describe America as being that there is no left.

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      Historical context show that palestinians was victim of settler colonialism and ethrnic cleansing

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    I spent two years in college studying the history of the Middle East and specifically the conflict between Israel and Palestine. I have never been on TikTok. Then where the fuck did my pro-Palestine views come from? I know the history very well and Israel has been unreasonable assholes from the beginning. Yes, Hamas and Palestine need to stop leading with violence, but when you’re fighting for your country’s literal existence it’s a bit of a moral grey area. The whole situation is a shit show and it infuriates me that Israel has so much support from the US. Without the 800lb gorilla backing them I feel like they’d have been forced to negotiate a reasonable solution long ago. Instead, here we are with a wildly disproportionate response that is 2 years long and the US has effectively cheered them on.

    Hilary and her entire generation of politicians can get fucked.

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    While I concede it’s not only possible, but in fact, likely that many people are unaware of the 10 volume set of War and Peace size novels which recount the history of conflict in the Middle East, I find it incredibly out-of-touch that she can’t understand that the starving and murder of an entire ethnic group is considered abhorrent by a large amount of the youth.

    We don’t need to know every facet to know genocide when we see it. I’m so tired of the constant Israel propaganda here in the states. You’d think they were the superpower and we were completely beholden to them in every way with the amount of kowtowing our politicians do. It’s insane.

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      Even if you read the history of Palestine for the last 100 years it only reinforces that Israel is a far-right apartheid state hellbent on the extermination of the inhabitants of that land in the name of Jewish supremacy.

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    i mean in a way tiktok is to blame or views on palestine… because tiktok was the first time you could see actual on the ground reporting from gaza instead of the sanitized version of the conflict in the us media. this is a good thing.

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    She blamed Bernie Sanders for her failure and got with a dude in the Epstein files. Why would anyone trust her judgment??

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    Why would context even matter? A genocide is a genocide no matter the context. It can NEVER be justified.

    I have had similar discussions with a right-wing conspiracy theorist (friend of my dad) that also used to justify genocide. I do think and hope that our conversation has led to some positive change in his views. He used to get super triggered when I called what is happening is Palestine a genocide but today I think he accepts it. Or at least he no longer denies it completely. I have stood my ground and kept challenging whatever he has said.

    Don’t give up on the people around you! Take the discussion, challenge their views. Call out any attempt to justify genocide. You don’t need to argue with these people about facts, history or whatever. Just a call out of any attempt to justify genocide is enough. Don’t let them keep spreading their hate unchallenged. Violence and hate can never win.

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    why is one of the very few people who could possibly lose to that disastrous GOP clown show allowed to speak about anything still‽