• SassyRamen@lemmy.world
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    What about the assassination of a senator? Did that also upset the right, or where they all cheering?

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      It’s okay if they kill a demon-rat. The brain washing combined with stupidity dissolves them of any wrong doing.

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      On one hand, I agree with the point. Political assassinations should be condemned by the right, and it shouldn’t be acceptable to have people giving a pass on political grounds.

      On the other hand, I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering. I saw one or two comments from people saying something like “political assassinations are bad”, and people heavily downvoting them.

      Now, okay. I can’t prove that some of the users commenting and cheering on the assassination weren’t, say, bots aimed at trying to create political division and polarization, though I doubt that the Threadiverse is likely the juciest of targets for that sort of thing; not a huge userbase. But my strong suspicion is that we are failing to meet the bar being asked of the right here.

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        I certainly see where you’re coming from; there’s a difference though.

        Charlie Kirk was fighting to overturn the social contract; he didn’t think the country has to accommodate LGB (and especially T) folks, atheists, Muslims, leftists, single women, et cetera. Hell, he loved political violence directed against Democrats.

        People who break the social contract should not be surprised when they lose its protection.

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        Tolerance is not a paradox; it is a social construct. The difference between the assassination of the Minnesota state rep and the assassination of Charlie Kirk is that the Kirk was openly inciting violence against others. He rejected the social construct and was thus no longer protected by it.

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          Maybe, yeah. But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar. Like, maybe it’s not that Threadiverse users are particularly abnormal as people go, and more that the normal person isn’t very good at refraining from giving “their side” a pass.

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          And of course the right winger regurgitates the old moronic “So much for the tolerant left”.

          Read up on the paradox of tolerance.

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      State level politicians are less likely to have impact outside their state. Nobody knew Hortman. Kirk was known by virtually everyone. Much bigger impact, much bigger reaction.

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        2/4 of the people I talked to yesterday had no idea who he was, so not as big to folks who don’t end up seeing the full stage.

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          I only knew of him as some right wing edgelord troll type until a month ago or so. Never saw him speak.

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          Exactly. I think most of America had no idea who he was. My wife had no clue who Kirk was. We even watched that South Park episode where Cartman mimics him. I assumed she knew who he was for some reason.

          I’ve known about him since the 2016 election. I was appalled by his early 20s, raving mad MAGA character. I thought we were stuck with him for decades and decades because he was so young. Nope.

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            I also was not super familiar outside recognizing his name. I did a quick read on Wikipedia. Literally the only thing he has ever done in life is to sell hatred and lies to the maga idiots of my country, and he was sadly very successful at it. Also his wife is a former Miss America. Taking this fuckwit off the board is a net positive for human society.

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          Given that the reaction from media on the left also shows a very different reaction Kirk vs. Hortman, I think your estimation of the difference between the two is not reflective of what’ll be the final reaction to these two events.

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    I was going to note that it’s not known who did it or why, but that doesn’t really matter, does it?

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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      Nope. This shit is even on linkedin. And that includes my braindead countrymen too. They’re blissfully unaware that the melon-headed fuck would’ve called them unclean, stinky, smelly pajeets. Fucking morons.

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        you’ve seen it too. yeah there’s a line of people from every culture who who think he was going to bat for them but just being coy about it

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    Let’s get some National Guard troops on the ground in Utah! DC was invaded because a little shit was beaten up by a child. No talk of Utah and an actual killing. Typical.

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    We are already living under a vengeful president’s regime. America rejected him once, and he never stopped bitching about it. But you don’t get to reject a narcissist. So he’s taking it out on the people that did so.

    All this killing does is give his sycophants a little more fuel on the bonfire of fear they’ve been stoking since 9/11. Who are they declaring war on? We don’t even know who did this. It’s always a fucking war with these whiny piss baby conservatives. It changes nothing.

    Reagan declared war on America forty-five fucking years ago.

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      The business Round Table in 1972 set up the long game to kill the Republic in all but name that led to Reagan and everything else since.

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        Oh please! They aren’t trying to sell their oil in euroes anymore!

        (Yes, that was the actual reason the us invaded Iraq if you didn’t know. The US needs to be kicked out of nato)

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            Not my point, unless a member country is attacked by a non-member then members are not required for action! So if a member attacks another member, say ex.: US were to attack Denmark for Greenland or say ex.:Us were to attack Canada, then other members are not required to do jack…

            We cannot, absolutely cannot have this inherently undemocratic mess amongst us!

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      If this is a false flag then the invasion will be of parts of the US. Just as Trump has been rambling on about for weeks now.

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    A single and fatal shot fired from the roof of a tall building 200 yards away while Kirk was under a canopy.

    Despite strict lockdown procedures being a normal part of every college campus in 2025, the college officially evacuates the campus and the shooter just walks away.

    The FBI quickly catches and releases the wrong suspect twice, and the only description they can offer is a man in dark clothing.

    I have to admit this does have government conspiracy written all over it, but guess who currently controls the government?

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      Well, that side has been itching to start their civil war, and they’re absolutely capable of sacrificing one of their own in order to obtain the license they think they need. Stranger things have happened.

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        Could have been former military? They used a single shot and then eloped with no trace. Very clean and professional.

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        Nooot really? I mean I’m not gonna lie I haven’t really looked into the exact shooting here but 200 yards isn’t really that crazy of a shot. If you assume the shooter was aiming for the neck it becomes a bit of a crazy shot, but I bet they were aiming for the head or body.

        I’m sure many people who regularly go hunting could land a 200 yard shot. Heck I bet if you gave someone a few weeks of practice in a range they could consistently land 200 yard shots.

        I say this from a place where I actually have fired guns before, including things like Ar-15s and an assortment of hunting rifles. They’re just too easy to use.

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        Who can also nail the carotid artery from over 200 yards away?

        That’s trained marksmen/sniper shit, my dude.

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          If anyone has the practice to do that it’s someone who has a long history with guns, which also overlaps with right wing nuts more than lefties.

          Besides they were probably trying to hit his giant head.

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          Yes. Someone like that. The Venn diagram overlap of people with those skills and beliefs is quite a bit larger than you seem to think.

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    So, people on the right are calling for violence against the left? And this is different from any other day ending in Y because…?

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    Retribution against who, exactly…? Who do they randomly want to lynch in the street? Just the next person they see with hair that’s too long/short in their view? Maybe they want to shoot up some more gay bars…?

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    War against who? Do we have the perpetrator? Do we know their political affiliation? The Trump shooter was a registered Republican. Are they waging war against their own party?

    Obviously they don’t need evidence to be horrifically violent shit stains, they’ve managed that well enough so far.

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    Fascinating stuff. Although from the time I was living in the US, Kirk seemed like a relatively low level public demagogue and grifter.