As promised, here is an interview with @ryanleesipes@mastodon.social from #Thunderbird, on the whole #Mozilla and #Firefox terms of use situation.
We talk about why this had to happen, how Thunderbird will handle their own Terms of Use, what’s happening at Mozilla, and what’s changing.
@sesivany @auser @ryanleesipes I think we can’t dismiss the entire thing as just miscommunication, and outrage amplifying that. There ARE valid causes for concern behind the stuff that’s has been explained :)
@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes Not dismissing the entire thing as miscommunication but miscommunication is a very big problem in social media, specially now, and the FOSS community is not exempt of that. Everybody needs to be more aware of their behavior and try to understand and be empathetic on how things are on the perceived “opposite side” and respond accordingly.
@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes In summary: Rants are not helpful feedback.
@auser @sesivany @ryanleesipes I’d counter that by: it’s not necessarily the goal to be productive, or the role of any commentator to be productive.
Ranting and criticizing without offering solutions is 100% ok, and fine. Just because we don’t have a solution, or we don’t show understanding for the 100th miscommunication doesn’t mean what we’re ranting about isn’t valid ;)
@thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social @sesivany@vivaldi.net @ryanleesipes@mastodon.social I don’t think ranting is criticizing, or how it should be understood. Criticizing offers arguments and explanations like you did in your video. Ranting does not offer these.
BTW, I’m not directly refringir to you Nick (i like your channel a lot), but there’s a thing that content creators could address more explicitly and that probably you are already aware of: How negative communications are sometimes at least part of the fuel of a successful media channel.
@auser@mastodon.social @sesivany@vivaldi.net @ryanleesipes@mastodon.social ah well, I guess it depends on what we call « ranting » (most people who listen to my ramblings call my stuff the weekly rant 😁) !
@thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social @sesivany@vivaldi.net @ryanleesipes@mastodon.social I’m sure they mean that kindly 😄
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Ranting without trying to understand first (which is a lot of the reactions that I’ve seen on this topic) isn’t helpful at all, to no one except maybe the ego of the people ranting.
It’s even possible to assume malice if one is sincerely convinced that there is some, but the minimum is to also present the arguments that could explain how maybe malice wasn’t the cause, and why you still think that malice is involved.
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@thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social There are definitely legitimate concerns. Imagine you have customers who type top secret information into Firefox and you learn without prior notice that ToS now requires them to license all that stuff to Mozilla and it’s undercommunicated with “trust us, we are doing it in good faith”.
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