Trump’s advisers have been working for months to move his focus away from baseless theories of election fraud. A group of outsiders is making that difficult.
Of all the outside advisers urging President Trump to seize control of federal elections this fall, the attorney Peter Ticktin can claim the deepest ties; the two men went to military school together as teenagers. In 2022, Ticktin helped Trump sue Hillary Clinton. This year, he pushed Trump to secure a pardon for Tina Peters, a former Colorado clerk convicted of charges related to tampering with election equipment.
Which is why it might be worth listening when Ticktin says that Trump could do something soon to take over elections. “He’s the only one that I know for sure has the understanding of the severity of it,” Ticktin told us this month before taking the stage at an election-skeptic conference in Las Vegas. The way Ticktin sees it, there are three possible outcomes this fall. The first—a smooth election—won’t happen in his view because, he claims without evidence, Democrats already cheated in the primaries. The second is that Trump takes action before the election to prevent cheating. The last option is that Trump tries to declare martial law on or around November 3. “Either martial law, or step aside,” he told us about Trump’s choices in the last scenario. When we asked about the prospect of riots if Trump tries to overturn the election results, Ticktin said he was not concerned. “Believe me, our armed forces are a lot bigger than they are,” he said.
Trump has already tried to claim greater federal control over elections, which under the Constitution are administered primarily at the state and local level. In February, he said Republicans should nationalize voting in at least 15 places. In August, when the television and radio host Wayne Allyn Root pushed Trump to declare a “national-security emergency” to require proof of citizenship, voter ID, and other measures, Trump played coy: “Let me just say that stranger things have happened, okay? I’ll leave it at that.” Later that month, Trump posted a Root column on the topic, with a headline that described the plan as “foolproof.” Peters announced after meeting with Trump in June that the president “basically said to his lead counsel to do what I was asking.” In a prime-time address at the Republican midterm convention in Dallas, Trump again repeated the false claim that he had won the 2020 election, and sarcastically encouraged his supporters to “cheat like hell” in the upcoming elections.
These people are in utter panic that some Republicans may possibly face consequences for what they have done.
That is the only chance for those losers to keep their seats.
Or he could just keep violating every rule with impunity as he has been for the last decade
So this guy just got put on The List.
You should listen to Bitin’ List by Tyler Childers.
We need to pass a law that says any civil servants who advocates for martial law or curfews immediately goes to jail.
Seemed to do decent in Belfast. Oh, ah, up the RA 😂
MAGAts are the worst form of scum.
As much as I hate Trump and all his policies, I have to disagree with you. Trumps supporters are mostly decent, but highly propogandized people. I have plenty of friends, family, and neighbors who are/were Trump supporters.
And while I am happy to vocally disagree with them, I always avoid making it a personal attack, as isolation from the rational people is how populist politicians like Trump maintain control. His power comes from his followers, and he wants nothing more than for his followers to be isolated from those who may lead them astray.
Please resist the hate instead of deepening it.
I’m not so sure that they are mostly decent, etc.
No. They had their chance and failed an intelligence test in the 2016 election. They have since repeatedly failed MORAL tests.
Multiple time trump voters are sadistic sociopaths that post things like ASMR videos of migrants in chains, laughing at immigrants in chains while eating tacos and smiling at the camera. They are not good people and have shown everyone their true colors. That’s the uncomfortable truth but about 22% of Americans are disgusting pieces of crap.
Even now you may say, “look at the polls”.
His Christian nationalist base is mad about Israel and doesn’t think he is locking up enough immigrants.
Republican “normies” are just mad about gas prices.
They aren’t good people at all
No, you’re wrong. MAGA cultists are pedophile supporters and scum, full stop.
That includes my immediate family.
I have plenty of friends, family, and neighbors who are/were Trump supporters.
Get better friends.
Trumps supporters are mostly decent, but highly propogandized people. I have plenty of friends, family, and neighbors who are/were Trump supporters.
no they’re evil, stupid, greedy people (or some combination)… it should be disturbing to you that you forgive that and don’t see it, they’re the most dangerous people in the US.
They’ve literally enabled a grifter, felon, paedophile sex pest to be The President of the US, there’s no walking that back, they’re not 12yr old children.
Trumps supporters are mostly decent, but highly propogandized people. I have plenty of friends, family, and neighbors who are/were Trump supporters.
While I agree that some of them are that,.most of them are the dumbest, most racist assholes you’ve ever met and you know it.
Just like the victims of con artists, they get suckered because they have character flaws that can be easily exploited. And many of those character flaws make them anything but decent people.
They’re still victims, to some extent, but they jumped on that bus because they wanted to see black and brown people, women and queer people tormented and brutalized.
Please resist the hate instead of deepening it.
It’s not hate, it’s cold, unblinking contempt.
As someone who also has family who are Trumpists, I have to disagree, most of them are in no way decent. They weren’t decent before Trump and are unlikely to be better after. I’m sorry that doesn’t make mending fences easier, but most Trumpists truly are not worth the effort, especially if they still are making apologies for everything he’s done. There are lines that are unforgivable, and for many of us, those lines are well and truly past.
Yep. Exactly.
Trump didnt turn good, wholesome people vile.
He turned racist assholes into out, loud, and proud raging racist assholes who felt they were finally free to drop the mask and reveal who they really were deep down and fully.
Who only find decency and decorum necessary when the focus is on them, and their orange lords, misdeeds, and only have empathy and concern for when their hate policies come home and hit them, instead of the poors, and browns, and blacks, and liberals that they wanted them to.
My experience is different, I know plenty of current and former Trump supporters, and like all people they run the gamit of human experience, and importantly they are normal flawed human beings.
When I say decent, I don’t mean “good”, I mean that they do not purposefully cause others to suffer, most of these people are scared, un/misinformed, a little(or very in many cases) stupid, and subject to the largest propaganda machine ever built.
I have to believe that at least most, if not all, people are deserving of a good life, and are capable of being caring compassionate individuals, because if I cease to believe that life suddenly seems a little meaningless. I may be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
There is no other group that more purposefully causes people to suffer than conservatives. 35-40% of humanity is not capable of being caring compassionate individuals. As resources dwindle and the world heats up, that percentage will rise.
I have to believe that at least most, if not all, people … are capable of being caring compassionate
That misconception is why we are in the predicament that we are in. By your own admission you embrace the misconception because the alternative is too painful to bear. You must accept that except to yourself, friends and family, your life is meaningless aside from the qty of value you can produce to sustain the system.
That’s an incredibly dim view of the world, and one I feel confident is entirely incorrect.
The giddy glee and laughter I hear from my local trumpets while they watch short form videos of people getting hurt and abused (whether by accident, stupidity, or governmental brutality) suggests that it’s a deeper character flaw in many of them.
I’m aware that some are nearly propagandized and ill informed. But plenty are maliciously cruel and want fascist rule, even if they might be on the wrong side of it.
Reality fucks your feelings
At some point Hanlon’s razor becomes a distinction without difference. The wall of lies is too complete to penetrate and whatever their motive, they cannot be recovered. I know you want to believe that most can still choose to be something other than harmful to everyone outside their inner circle. I used to believe it to. I no longer believe that’s true. This is a struggle for survival now.
I think if we all give up our humanity then we’re fighting to persist something which ought to die out. I’ll choose to hold onto mine.
It’s not hate that informs how you treat someone with rabies when you know they’re beyond saving. You know there’s still a person in there somewhere, and you also know you can’t save them, and they’re a danger to everyone around them. They’ve driven themselves rabid with their own ghost stories and phantasms. If they’re only weakly connected to “The Cause” there’s still time, but when they’ve closed that last door tight against the monsters in their head, you can’t undo what’s been done. The only thing left to do is to protect those who aren’t dead from the heart up, from those who are.
I see where you’re from, I really do. But what you are saying is incongruent with reality. I’d highly encourage you to think on this more, and consider changing your mind.
I’m gonna check out of this conversation though, really tired of the threats in my DMs.
I agree. Humans are inherently good and social. It’s the money/power portion of the world that has everything so fucked up. How a proportionally tiny insignificant amount of thugs can control the rest of the world is beyond belief, but here we are.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say inherently good, but I do absolutely agree the money/power dynamics cause almost all our current issues.
I spend a lot of time researching and studying how the elite control the world, and their biggest asset is their ability to manipulate the rest of us into fighting eachother.
What!? How dare you!!! Whoa…I see what you mean…sorry about my temper. I guess you’re right. /s
I know some too and they’re white supremacist Karens.
Fuck ‘em.
I’ve known that type as well, and they make me quite sad, but they are a minority. If we can’t operate on the assumption that fences can be mended, then we will never ever be passed this, and we will be doomed and dooming future generations to the same suffering.
I’m not suggesting any kind of capitulation, just that we be better than those we fight against.
We are where we are because Andrew Johnson sabotaged Reconstruction.
Finish the civil war. Accountability for racists and traitors.
Found the Magat bottom. Yes daddy must be your only words to them.
Wow, mixing homophobia in is so totally awesome. Like seriously do you think that mindset helps anyone other than Trump and his Epstein-class buddies?
much better than a yes daddy I want to compromise one.
The reason the winner of every Democrat primary was a Democrat was because the Democrats cheated? Have they been cheating in every primary since the beginning of primaries? That happens every time, almost like it’s an intentional part of the system.
I remember this coming up when the Democrats didn’t vote for a Republican speaker of the house…
If your constituency is a bag of rocks, you can just rewrite history on the fly I guess.
The last option is that Trump tries to declare martial law on or around November 3. “Either martial law, or step aside,” he told us about Trump’s choices in the last scenario. When we asked about the prospect of riots if Trump tries to overturn the election results, Ticktin said he was not concerned. “Believe me, our armed forces are a lot bigger than they are,” he said.
This is definitely going to happen, and there is no precedent as to how to deal with it, which makes it more likely it will succeed, as the opposition will be scattered.
Current polling puts the midterm elections into the blowout category, with Trump and his allies going down in flames. If Democrats take control, there will be a reckoning. Trump can’t have that. He’s old and knows that when this run is over, he faces inquiries and likely prison. He can’t have that. He will do everything in his power, legal or illegal, to remain in power. He’s literally told his republican supporters to “cheat like hell”, and to vote, regardless of whether they are registered or not. These are not idle words, they are a call to action.
If Trump does not declare martial law, and the elections come to pass and the democrats win, as strongly indicated by current polling, the next thing will be to claim fraud and refuse to swear them in. While I’d like to think that the Supreme Court might stop such a thing, I’m not confident that is the case.
If Democrats take control, there will be a reckoning.
Yeah I’ll believe it when I see it.
So, what do we do if he does declare martial law before the election?
Not trolling. What should people do? Im looking for any real answer beyond a vague 2nd amendment statement. Just “get your guns” is not an answer. We will be outgunned and murdered if we just grab guns and go to polling places.
Real answer anyone?
The first thing to remember is that we have never suspended, postponed, or cancelled an election, not even during the Civil War. That is a bright red line that has never been crossed, and should never be crossed.
The elections are run by the states. He can try and suspend them at the Federal level, but most states won’t cooperate, including most red states. Especially if he tries to stop them at the last second, when they are already in progress. He doesn’t have the authority to end elections, they’ll just have them anyway.
MAGAs have ambitions, too, and they see Trump’s days ending, and they want their chance. Everybody is just about fed up with protecting Trump’s treasonous ass. Now the MAGAs are supposed to shelve their own ambitions to support an increasingly demented, dying, and irrelevant old pedophile?
And elections are about more than Federal offices. There are a lot of state and local elections that have to happen, too. Cancelling elections doesn’t just prevent Congress from flipping, it gums up the governmental systems from top to bottom.
All that said, this is an indication that MAGA is on the verge of panic, and that makes them very dangerous. They have until 2028 to gain full control of the population, or the top people are going to prison, or worse. They are more aware of this than most citizens, who still believe that those at the top will face no punishment. They will, and they KNOW it. As one German general said, after hearing that the Soviet Army had defeated the invading Nazi army, and was now marching toward Berlin: “If they treat us half as bad as we treated them, we’re in big trouble.” That’s what MAGA is thinking.
So they HAVE to stay in power, they simply have to. Anything less, means severe punishment, so they will have to get vicious to keep it, because they have no choice.
Get prepared, Citizen, the next two years are going to be like no other time in American history.
What we should have been doing since 2016. Building a shadow state, the same way the Republicans have. A coalition of the willing prepared to organize, do logistics, move people and resources outside official channels. Organize community relief efforts and distribute information that subverts the Trumpists narrative. Make no mistake there may be a time where violence becomes unavoidable, but even then, an army marches on its stomach. The most powerful weapon ever built isn’t a nuclear bomb, its logistics, and it always has been.
To be honest? Unless the military steps in, you are cooked and even if they do, a despot could fill the power vacuum. I would recommend everyone reading this to gather their friends and family and prepare for the worst. This channel is a good place to get started.
I posted this channel in the liberal gun community and it got down voted.
We will be outgunned and murdered if we just grab guns and go to polling places.
You may be right.
But.
Thats no reason to just let them win. How many feds can they send to the polls in the US? How many people will be voting at each location? Imagine if half the voters, or more, were armed. Dont tell me “ThAt’S iLlEgAl”, because its also illegal to send ice/feds/solders to the polls.
Imagine you are standing on the third story of a burning building. If you jump, you will probably live, but you’re going to get hurt. A broken leg or arm. The alternative is burning to death in a fire.
We are on the third story of a burning building now. We see what we have to do. Its not ideal. Its not painless. Its not perfect. We’re going to get hurt.
But the alternative is much worse.
I have answered this question many times and each variation of it gets removed for inciting violence. So, I will leave it to your imagination. Imagine what General Sherman would advise us to do. Imagine what John Brown would advise us to do.
Doing the right thing is often messy and difficult. Please understand that as polite as they are to your face, your conservative neighbors do not value your life the way you value theirs. This is because conservatives do not experience empathy. They call empathy “woke”. They truly hate empathy and empathetic people. Your empathy makes them see you as their enemy. They are not kidding about that. They really do hate “woke” people. Listen to them when they tell you who they hate.
Violence comes much more easily to a conservative than to a normal person. When conservatives see you as their enemy, they will act appropriately. If you don’t act first, you are likely to become their victim. Understand that no other country is coming to save us. Resist with force or flee. There is no third option.
There isn’t a great answer. The states should file an immediate lawsuit seeking an injunction against the declaration. Depending on the timing, that may well be too little too late. However, if the election is impaired in any way, there should be a nationwide general strike. Everything should be shut down, period. The brave can demonstrate in public, and risk being shot. Those who want to fight back can specifically target companies that support the administration in a variety of unique ways beyond simple boycotts. We will we need to view the U.S. as a country occupied by a hostile force, which is exactly what it would be. Not give up and capitulate, but quietly work to impede the hostile force and grind everything to a halt. Money is the lifeblood of these losers, and impairing their ability to make it is how to hurt them.
It depends on how many take to the streets. The cops and military are grossly outnumbered. I don’t think they would open fire into crowds of hundreds of thousands of people either. A million people march on the whitehouse and I think that would do it. The thing is that half of us would fight to defend the coup. Well, half of the people who give a shit either way…
I need $5. And your vote. Just vote harder. And $5.
—The Democratic Establishment
Imagine taking the democrat’s power away before they could try Trump, reelecting Trump as president and calling the democrats powerless.
This is why american democracy is fucked people like that have the power to vote or to choose not to vote.
I could see that. I could also see, like if god forbid martial law is declared, the dems chastising their base for not voting enough back in 2024, 2016, etc. and just antagonizing everyone even more. It’s just The Aristocrats in here.
It’s easy to skirt responsibility by passing it off to the democrats.
Pretty compelling story if he nukes Iran, declares unprecedted war situation, declares lockdown, suspends elections, conducts purges , etc.
You act like the Democrats are actually gonna do anything, Trump knows they won’t.
One more for the treason list. That thing is getting longer than the Epstein files.
Fuck that noise
Rioting only works when an overwhelming majority will participate. Even if all the normal people participated (they won’t), that still leaves over 100 million conservatives who will support the conservative government take-over. Conservatives will never oppose a conservative coup. Without their participation, rioting alone will simply not be enough to stop the coup.
Rioting will prove that conservatives will gleefully open fire on us and slaughter as many of us as they have ammo for. We will need to do much more than riot. Much more.
According to conservatives, the civil war was not properly finished. After decades of debating with them on that topic, I finally agree. We need to properly finish it or else they will.
But a civil war now…how do you fight that type of war when theres no physical boundaries? Its not like we can hack in to see who voted for trump, bump them off and it all work out.
We’d have to deal with the billionaires, their murder tech and the psycho-killers they pay to protect them. We’d have to deal with the military, which I understand now has IDF working there too.
What I think just might work is if some of the retired military generals teaming up and getting help from an outside country to neutralize a mutual enemy, but I also dont understand why this hasn’t already been done. Or at least attempted.
I agree with everything you’ve said. To answer your question about what individuals can do to fight a war with no boundaries or front lines, I look at “the troubles” in Ireland.
While conservatives would call stochastic attacks “terrorism” (only when they are the targets of course), I don’t think the term terrorism is accurate in acts of war. These types of attacks would be targeting enemies to eliminate them, not to terrorize anyone or convince anyone to do anything differently.
In a stochastic civil war, we would be focused on eliminating the threat, not scaring or influencing them. A conservative does not change, so attempting to frighten them or influence them is not an effective way to eliminate that threat. Negotiating with pathological liars and narcissists is also not going to work, which brings us back to the need to eliminate the threat without any other agenda.
Sherman needed to cut a second swath in his march to the sea, maybe through Alabama.
Agreed 100%
