Man would it be funny watching Putin get thrown out of a window
Yay, defenestration!!!
I think it’d look something like this https://youtu.be/JGos7T0RKn8?t=160
Unpopular opinion: We should offer all dictators and their friends a safe retirement package.
Cornered dictators are dangerous. They will always keep escalating because the alternative isn’t just their neck on the block, it’s all of their friends and family too.
That’s exactly why total annihilation of a populace is always a bad idea. Putin sucks, but the world must be ready to integrate the Russian population after everything’s done or we’ll be back where we started in a few years. Germany taught that lesson, but look at all the historians crying in the corner.
I’ve been saying this for years. Perceived justice/punishment is not worth the lives of thousands of innocents.
Wait, prison isn’t a retirement package (of sorts)?
tried that with Napoleon - didnt stick
he was exiled. not exactly chopped.
Yes but that was supposed to be the magnanimous and merciful “safe retirement package” as an alternative to certain death at the hands of an executioner. Exile wasn’t a death sentence. Life definitely wouldn’t have been easy, but he had servants who joined him in exile to help keep him alive and happy.
Instead, he found a way back to France and the first army that arrived to intercept him immediately put themselves under his command again. That’s the danger of allowing warmongering dictators to have their cushy exit strategy - they may not see it as a way out of ultimate punishment, but as a reset button.
I’m less worried about that in this case. Napoleon was one of the greatest generals in human history, he was inspiring. Putin has been failing to conquer the poorest country in Europe for over four years.
With the frankly shocking number of Americans who espouse their unwavering support for Trump, no matter what he says or does, I have very little faith in humanity’s collective ability to judge leaders objectively.
Holy whoosh batman.
Gotta chat with air traffic controllers for how much airspace there is between you and this comment chain.
I don’t think most of them would do it if they had to give up their power and wealth.
It’s not for when things are going well. It’s for when their backs are against the wall. They are very heavily incentivtized to fight to the last no matter the cost.
this assumes rational motivation and decision-making.
It’s always rational at a personal level. Everyone thinks they’re doing the right thing for some combination of themselves, their friends and their allies.
It assumes a self preservation instinct. There’s plenty enough examples of escaping dictators that I think it’s a fair assumption
Putin had that posibiblty by not doing what he did, giving this option to them means they have no reason to not try this shit, I disagree firmly with this idea
Hey come on we all went a bit crazy and looked for a new hobby during covid /s
I absolutely agree. What good is retribution, in the face of all the untold future injustices and suffering that could be prevented by allowing dictators and their ilk to simply… stop being dictators?
At the end of the day, “just desserts” really aren’t all that they’re cracked up to be. Tasty as they may be, they are just desserts. Have a strudel or a pudding instead.
Agree. We all hate Putin, but he is the only person with the power to stop the war.
I appreciate the sentiment.
I disagree.
They have never hesitated to chop necks on blocks, why shouldn’t they be Romanoved out of the gene pool?
how about a free prescription for lake city quiet pills with unlimited refills?
We didn’t do such for Hitler and Mussolini.
Besides, Putin can take refuge in China or North Korea, maybe even Belarus, Cuba, or Nicaragua.
We didn’t do such for Hitler
Not so sure about that…
Mussolini, sure. Hitler may have died an old man in Argentina.
I don’t know man, this sounds good at first but think of how many thousands of lives would be saved if we let a handful of evil people go unpunished.
The most probable “punishment” that Putin is going to get at this rate is dying while sleeping without any pain.
I hear not attacking your neighbors does wonders for your longevity.
He would hang himself if only he had the balls to do so
Your lucky if they hang you Putin.
Think of how many people (Russian, Ukrainian or otherwise) who have lost a loved one because of this man’s selfishness.
How many people out of that group would give their lives to take his?
He might live the rest of his natural lifespan, but he’ll probably do most of it behind bulletproof glass and security cordons.
Exactly, won’t be much left to hang when they’re done with him
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They will hang me
As they ought to
One source said Putin believes ending the war without capturing at least all of the Donbas could threaten his survival.
Even if all of Donbas is captured, he had relegated all of Russia into irrelevance for generations to come. Russia will become a vassal to China. The future Russians will despise him for it. Putin may not personally care what people think of him, but he certainly cares what will happen to Russia’s prestige.
About two weeks ago, another Penza resident reported that her 61-year-old husband, who has no teeth, suffers from hearing problems, and has a disabled arm, was summoned to the military enlistment office on Skladskaya Street. According to her, he was suffocated with a plastic bag and forced to sign a contract.
She said that her husband had previously fought in the war in 2022 and returned home after being wounded. Their son has also been mobilized.
.ml users will continue to support Russia and Putin though…
I am surprised they haven’t downvoted this comment yet.
The tankies tend to block lemmy.world.
It looks like there’s one who downvoted many people. I’m assuming it just hasn’t been seen by them yet. We’re also in .world, which is defederated from them, so they won’t see it without alts.
.world is not defederated with .ml
Is it not? I know it is from hexbear. I thought .ml was too. It’s hard to keep track of all that, especially since I’m from a different instance.
I’m on .world and I see .ml stuff.
lemmygrad.ml is defederated, not lemmy.ml
there are a lot of people that are quite far to the left on this instance, including me, because i want to engage with hexbear and also the normie stuff on the liberal subreddits, but it’s not a “tankie” instance like some people want to make it out to be when they get intellectually challenged by people outside of their comfy bubble.
it kinda sucks though, cus of some people that have lost the plot, pretty much everyone here who isn’t aggressively anti-china and anti-soviet union and think they have accomplished good things alongside some bad things, gets branded as an evil tankie or in some cases even what they call a “red fascist”.
a lot of people, especially from .world, when they see someone from .ml disagree with them on something, they start looking to fulfill their own criteria for a “tankie” and if they fill some of that criteria, they completely dismiss everything you say because you’re a “tankie” and that means you’re irrational and nothing that you say is worth considering. it really sucks, but it is what it is.
edit: but i’ll add that there are non far-left people on this instance too, people that don’t engage with the politics but have some other reasons to be here. it’s not a political instance, so that is going to be the case.
pretty much everyone here who isn’t aggressively anti-china and anti-soviet union
This is pretty indicative of the issue. The Soviet Union hasn’t existed for quite a while now! The people defending modern day authoritarian Russia are no Communists, or Marxist-leninists. They’re Authoritarians. They say they’re leftist, but they support the oligarchies oppressing the people. That is the furthest thing from leftist.
most of the people you’re talking about only support russia critically, as in support their anti-imperialist efforts.
i personally appreciate russia’s aid of iran against the united states and israel, alongside their support for cuba in this inhumane blockade by the united states and their fight against the ISIS in the sahel. that’s basically all i can appreciate them for. a lot of what they do is messed up
some people are of the opinion that the russian war on ukraine is an anti-imperialist act as ukraine was joining nato, but i disagree with this out of principle as i’m against all aggressive wars. i can see where they’re coming from, but i disagree with it.
a lot of people have this misconception that these claimed “tankies” are russia fans in everything they do, but in reality, their support for russia is quite limited. i recommend giving these people a good listen to get immersed in what they really believe in and clear your misconceptions
Defederation works the other way around…
They would be mad if they could read
The average .ml user is even more detached from reality than Putin, Trump or any other politican.
Because theyre not on the front lines.
what part of Ukraine are you currently serving in?
One doesn’t have to be in Ukraine to help.
It’s okay, nobody thought they weren’t shitheels anyway
Busification.
Edit: Lmao. That’s all it takes.
Can we chip in to buy the rope
There’s United24 for that, I think
(I am not a financial or geopolitical advisor, make sure to double-check before donating)
I look forward to the day when Putin finally dies, I will pop a bottle of champagne if Putin dies
Imagine if Putin and Trump dies the same day.
Would be a world holiday for centuries to come
Haven’t done it in years, but that’s “impromptu weekend getaway with the boys” level of celebration for me.
same. and I don’t drink. ever.
I’m more of a port dude
Because sending 400 000 more people to die will just make them love him even more.
You are misunderstanding the situation. He is afraid of the people with power, money, influence - those are not the people they will send to die in a pointless war
Fewer folks around with access to rope!
Ah, but more rope available per person.
that’s communism ™!
Well… That makes it oddly appropriate then.
or a large open window, or a very energetic volatile device.
one thing putin loves is bombing people, maybe its one of the things he should be aware of.
DIY drones might offer a huge change to politics as usual
hes sending “undesirables” though(400k non-moscowvites, or st petersberg) its all foreigners, and ethinic russians.
Yevgeny Prigozhin was close
I will never understand why he stopped, he was always dead either way
his plane must be unluckly to highly energetic materials on board.
Imagine making the decision of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of additional lives to delay your own inevitable demise caused by your own astronomical fuck up.
Putin is a cowardly bitch.
Honestly it need not even be his demise. There are any number of countries he could flee to, countries without extradition treaties and willing to look the other way for any rich despot looking for a safe harbor. Some small Middle East dictatorship seems a logical choice. But even China would probably offer him refuge. Even North Korea if he’s truly desperate. Hell, if he offered to end the war tomorrow, most Western countries would probably be willing to offer Putin amnesty, as painful as that would be. If the choice is between holding Putin accountable and saving another hundred thousand innocent lives, I’ll let Putin go.
What he is truly afraid of is losing power. He can keep his life. He can keep at least a lot of his wealth. The one thing he can’t flee the country with is his power.
In the modern world, dictators never need fear their personal survival. International pariah dictators all support each other. There’s a reason Trump cozies up to despots. The dictators all realize that any of them could be deposed, and that losing power will result flight or death. They’re all paranoid and afraid of losing power and their lives. So they all backstop each other and provide what assistance they can. And what even the poorest dictator can offer is protection from extradition.
No self respecting western country would take him The russians would kill him if he went to the US. Whoever takes over will decide if he is returned from an ally. Stalin had much tighter control and he couldnt leave office because of te same fears. He would give up the power if it meant he wouldnt die immediately. They would hang every failure on him, publicly trial him and sentence him the rest of his natural life in a camp.
I don’t think you’re correct. They may not have extradition treaties, but they also don’t want to negatively affect relations with the successor for nothing in return. They aren’t going to defend Putin, because most of the world, and especially the Russian successor, would be after him. There’s just no benefit. They may not extradite, but they won’t host him either (outside of a prison). He’d likely either be held in captivity or executed, if he isn’t extradited, or let The Hague take care of him.
Imagine blindly following such an asshole and allowing your own fathers, sons, brothers to blindly become part of the meat grinder because you’re too ignorant to fucking rise up and get rid of this dipshit.
We’re still talking Putin right? Not Trump’s Iran debacle? I suppose it’s technically not a meat grinder… yet… we’ll see what he does after the midterms.
As much as I hate Trump, he’s got nothing on Putin yet. A few dozen American soldiers have died at most, and many suffered, but it’s nothing like what’s happening with Russian soldiers and infrastructure. People are not being drafted yet either. He’s cost a lot of money, but there’s not hundreds of thousands of men dying in an invasion.
I did say “yet.” Give it time. We all see it coming. Do you?
FWIW, Trump’s 6 years older than Putin.
Sure, but psychologically he’s 12. Gambling on a man who admittedly has one foot over the grave and the other on a banana peel dropping dead before millions of Americans get a dirt nap in war(s) none of them want to be a part of seems… reckless. I know gambling is more American than mom and apple pie, especially lately, but maybe don’t put your children up for collateral to a loan shark.
…delay by less than a year
The actual quote:
One source said Putin believes ending the war without capturing at least all of Donbas could threaten his survival. “They will hang me,” he reportedly told people close to him.
So this isn’t him saying “I think we’re gonna lose the war and I’ll get hanged” it’s more “if I don’t completely win the war I may get hanged”
There’s no indication that he thinks they’re going to be defeated. I think he recognizes that at worst this will result in a pyrrhic victory and they walk away with a large chunk of Ukraine, not Ukraine defeating them and driving the Russians back out.
Yeah. It does show where the political motivations are currently in the war and why it isn’t going to be over any time soon. There is no politically acceptable end to the war for either side, so the war of attrition continues.
insert Neil Patrick Harris and the queen bug meme
NPH latest role was being the toymaker, maybe he can do something about putin.
at worst this will result in a pyrrhic victory and they walk away with a large chunk of Ukraine
They won’t be easily walking away from 1000s of drones.
Something is coming we do not know about. 😏 The billionaire/ultra wealthy class have been erratic the past couple years, plundering all the wealth they can thinking it matters.
https://climatecasino.substack.com/p/a-hiroshimas-per-second-moment-of
https://science.nasa.gov/earth/explore/el-nino/
I wonder what could be coming that’s so bad they’re trying to buy their survival by building bunkers.
So are they going to nuke everyone first? No way they can disappear down a bunker right now and not expect their air holes to get plugged up.
One, every single one is in their 70s to 90s so it’s a matter of time before there’s a string of ‘sudden’ deaths and they can’t accept that so make everyone’s trouble.
Two, the apocalypse deadline was pushed ahead. Very likely, very unpredictable, very likely they want it to happen for far lesser reasons than we think.
Three, funni graph number must go up because that’s all they still remember and nothing else matters, including their own lives.
