• deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      3 years ago

      Even the independent or non-profit media sources that have a lot of credibility and seem generally pretty chill will fall back on this every now and again.

      You see it anytime you hear people talking about division or hyper partisanship “on the rise” in that clinical, abstract way that sounds objective. It’s always in a discussion about the current state of “discourse”, and it’s nearly always remarked on like the story is the spike in “disagreements”, and not about what the disagreements are actually about.This pervasive idea that somehow people being upset about the current state of affairs and the rise of actual fascism is some kind of aberration.

      Like “Gee, people sure are arguing a lot these days. Boy howdy, they’re sure a feisty bunch, aren’t they?” Women literally had their right to an abortion taken away from them, we had armed fascists storming our God damn capital on the word of a President and current candidate, we had thousands die to a preventable illness because of rampant misinformation and right wing individualist propaganda, and still you hear this tone that people being really angry right now is weird.

      Fucking Kurkusagst, a channel I have a lot of respect for, just the other day dropped a video blaming social media on the mounting political and social divisions in our country, and implying all will be well if we just stopped using big media platforms. Social media is definitely part of it, but anyone seriously acting like it’s the primary reason people are fucking pissed right now has to be some well-off straight white man, because the rest of us have some pretty damn good reasons to be pissed. I don’t need Twitter or Reddit or Facebook to make me angry, I just need to be paying the fuck attention.

      It’s insulting to every women, every LGBT person, every non-white person, and every single person struggling to make a living right now to imply “social media is just getting us riled up.”

          • bitwolf@lemmy.one
            2·
            3 years ago

            Oh I love these videos! I actually was already half through the social media one already and had lost it in my history. Thanks for reconnecting me 🙂

    • Mango@lemmy.world
      01·
      3 years ago

      It doesn’t really seem that way. I only ever hear about how evil Republicans are and how starving and precious the Democrats are. I think you’re all fucking stupid for thinking stances on subjects need to be clumped together in categories. I want universal healthcare, basic income, and the right to carry a gun for the next time police come to wreck my life over a false accusation made by a violent asshole!

  • Lilweed2@lemmy.world
    298·
    3 years ago

    One side wants to break up families, abolish free speech, trans kids and make everyone attention slaves to big companies. The other side just wants freedom and happiness

    (I dont accually believe this, just how the opposite side would make the same tweet) You cant believe the world is this black and white 💀

  • wrekone@lemmyf.uk
    10·
    3 years ago

    The media cares about one thing: money. Outrage=views, and they’ll report whatever they think will generate the most outrage.

  • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    125·
    3 years ago

    Haha don’t forget moderates.

    “We should listen to both sides, I mean nazis and fascists had good ideas too!”

    • Prophet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I think it’s a mistake to call them moderates. The “moderates” in the US have gone to great lengths to brand themselves this way, but really they are neoliberals who have bought into every aspect of conservatism except maybe the most depraved social views from the alt right, which they excuse as “just an opinion”. They love to play both sides and act like they have some moral/intellectual high ground because they consider “both sides” when really they are already waist deep into right-wing ideology.

      • madcaesar@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 years ago

        Exactly. Whenever this conversation comes up I ask for people to give me Republican policies presented and pushed that aimed to help the middle class??

        Other than tax cuts for the rich the Republican party has ZERO ideas on how to tackle anything that would help the average American. Healthcare? Nothing. Gun control? Nothing. Climate change? Nothing. Infrastructure? Nothing. Jobs? Trickle down give tax cuts to the rich that’ll solve it! Sure it hasn’t worked the last 40 years now but just more tax cuts for billionaires bro!

        • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 years ago

          It’s insane there’s even a handful of people who think republicans are anything but self serving fascists that would step over corpses to enrich themselves even marginally at the expense of anything and anyone else.

          Yet here we are, it’s an actual debate, it’s like children who refuse to admit they stole that candy from the store… Children. Vile, fat, rich, spoiled, semi-conscious, thoroughly uneducated, self entitled, racist, backwards, moronic children. Hundreds of millions of them.

    • chakan2@lemmy.worldEnglish
      01·
      3 years ago

      If you still believe the Democrats are going to come through on universal healthcare or free college, you’re also part of the problem.

    • havokdj@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Section 1

      Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

      Idk about you but that seems to make it pretty cut and dry that slavery is illegal in the US. Prison is different because when you are convicted, you are stripped of many rights. I don’t agree with it, but it is what it is.

      • Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        3 years ago

        If there’s an exception to a rule then it’s not a cut and dry rule. If slavery is illegal except when it affects certain people then it’s not illegal overall.

      • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        Constitution: slavery is legal under certain conditions.

        You: “Idk about you but that seems to make it pretty cut and dry that slavery is illegal in the US”

  • Cylusthevirus@kbin.social
    31·
    3 years ago

    I see this sentiment expressed more often by tankies, enlightened centrists, and Krazy Konservative Kommenters than mainstream media sources. Usually in reference to economic policy (and in fairness, the differences there are pretty subtle if we’re looking at the mainstream).

    What I’m seeing in media is an attempt to listen to “both sides.” It’s just that one side has grown more and more detached from reality, so airing their crazy unchallenged alongside a more normal perspective makes it look like the sides are on equal rhetorical footing. It’s like what you get in a debate with Donny T and Biden.

    Biden: Normal liberal policy ideas, maybe we leave the queer folks alone, maybe we do a little something on climate, etc.

    SmallHandsOrangeBoy: Incoherent frothing about the immigrants, the gays, the “woke mind virus”

    Reporters: And here are the candidate’s positions, clearly no further comment or observation is required. Best not question the froth lest we be accused of bias!

    Feels like a lot of reporters are either unused to dealing with a rising fascist bloc, hampered by corporate meddling, or complicit.

    • IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social
      1·
      3 years ago

      The media always wants two people with diametrically opposed ideas and opinions in their tv debates. Like with climate change debates. Instead of inviting 2 people of the 99% of scientist who generally agree about human made climate change but disagree on the details they invite the disgraced 1% “scientist” with a fringe opinion who’s clearly in the pocket of big oil or a professor who isn’t even a climate expert.

  • gribodyr@lemmy.ml
    2·
    3 years ago

    Out of the loop: what’s there about women not being able to vote or own property? Thanks!

  • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.eeEnglish
    2·
    3 years ago

    the media doesn’t think they’re equal, the media is elevating slavery because they’re owned by the people who will end up owning the slaves

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
    2·
    5 months ago

    And one side will win because they’ll convince everyone that the other side costs too much, and don’t you just fucking hate them anyway?

  • Epicmulch@lemm.ee
    1·
    3 years ago

    This is why we can’t even get anywhere. Both sides purposely misrepresent the other.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
      01·
      3 years ago

      Right, surely the people who keep doing horrible things and announcing plans to do more horrible are only unpopular with everyone else because of tribalism. Couldn’t possibly be their actions.

      • AlDente@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        3 years ago

        Both sides clearly want to say the most extremist strawmans of the other side to rile up support and increase animosity towards the other side.

          • AlDente@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            3 years ago

            Really? You turn this into a mis-characterization of the left? My point is that there are equally radically Twitter claims from the right. For instance, you don’t think there are Republican-voting individuals who think Democrats are coming for all their guns?

            • FeminalPanda@lemmings.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              I do, but that’s not the far left, that’s the liberals. You go actual left and you keep your guns to protect yourself from the right wing lynch mobs that is ant the gays to die.

  • dx1@lemmy.worldBanned from community
    1·
    3 years ago

    IDK what the fuck you guys have been watching for the last two months. I’ve been watching a genocide unfold with unaninmous bipartisan support. If you can see that and don’t think both parties are beyond redemption, you’re part of the problem.

    I’m assuming we’re talking about the actual parties/politicians here, not the people.

    • Seasm0ke@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 years ago

      Oops! It looks like you’ve exposed the truth behind the DNC and their “nothing will fundamentally change” platform. Sorry but all the political realistsTM are about to swoop in and accuse you of supporting trump now.