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Cake day: June 9th, 2023

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  • You are incorrect on near all accounts here pal. Horses originated in North America and were hunted to extinction 10k years back by the clovis hunters. They were originally the size of dogs, and at some point made it across the Beiring Strait when frozen.

    This is like suggesting that elephants are the same as woolly mammoths… they’re not even remotely the same thing. The horses today are not even close, the Spanish brought them here a few hundred years ago.

    Wolves and Mountain Lions absolutely will kill and eat horses.

    Yep, they sure will, but they’re not going to control the population at all. A wolf/pumas main food source is deer/elk. Not horses.

    Ranchers and the right wing in general absolutely did not realize it was a mistake to kill them, in fact they are trying to finish the job and extirpate them from the continent. Idk where you were left with the impression ranchers stopped killing wolves and pumas. They like to tell their people to shoot, shovel, and shut up, about killing them illegally.

    This I will admit shocked me a bit, the last time I spoke with some of my friends who are ranchers they liked the idea of the wolves coming back. Most were were worried about the damage that the deer population has caused, which is completely out of control. Seeing that this is no longer the case, and that ranchers are pissed because they lose a few cows a year is a bit ridiculous on their part.

    And there are precious few wolves left. A couple thousand in Minnesota, a couple hundred in Michigan, a couple lone packs in the north cascades, (they killed an entire pack some years back, one of only a few,) and yellowstone has some. Not comprehensive, but those are the biggest populations of wolves that I am aware of, not sure of the Sierra Nevadas it seems like they must have some too.

    https://www.fws.gov/species/gray-wolf-canis-lupus

    So looks like I’m out of the loop on the timeline. They delisted in 2020 and relisted them in 2022. Interesting, I was under the impression they had a healthy population.



  • They’ve been doing this way way before the turd got into office. The BLM, used to pay you to take one of these horses. They’re wild mustangs and have 0 flight and all fight. They mainly do this so they keep the population in check, since… surprise they have no real predators.

    On top of all this, horse slaughter has been going on for decades, unfortunately it’s banned in the USA, which is fucking stupid. So horses get shipped to Mexico and Canada. Trips that can take days and have horses packed into trailers. These dumbass rescues thought they were doing everyone a favor getting it banned. Turns out it created way way more neglect. Instead of people bringing their pet to the sale and knowing it would be slaughtered a few miles down the road, they keep the thing and it withers away, or it goes to the sale anyways and then shipped thousands of miles away.

    Horse slaughter needs to be legalized again, the animal shouldn’t waste away in a field and if, after death it can become feed, then that should happen. Poisoning the animal and then the ground is a waste and a terrible thing.




  • Naa I know plenty about it. As you militant vegans are all over lemmy. The joke here is that animals eat other animals…humans are no different, we’re omnivores for a reason. You can act like plants can replace meat but the amount of nutrients from 4oz of meat vs 4oz of some plant is always going to be way out of proportion.

    Plants require a lot of work as well. Most farms that produce meat, are not mega farms like you guys think. The majority of the farms here in the US are small operations, 1k or less head of cattle. They make up 90% of what is consumed. The cows drink, non-potable water. They eat mainly grass (you don’t raise a cow on grain, shit is expensive when grass and roughage is free) and they don’t require you to constantly fertilize the soil to grow something. On top of all this, the majority of what is fed to cows is grass/roughage, and then hay in the winter, which is just rolled up grass/roughage. The feed they finish cows with is non-eatable foods from plants you and I eat. Stalks, roots, stems…shit you cannot process. You think they take and just toss out the plant you’re beans grow on? Hell no, it’s turned into cattle feed.

    So, yes I know a lot about this, because I own a farm and work closely with other farmers, who grow that plant based diet you eat… so be vegan all you want, no one is saying you can’t, but don’t come acting high and mighty because you don’t want the rest of us to eat meat.